Doesn’t matter where his helmet was on contact it is the FACT that he lead with

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Sep 19, 2021
1:50:20pm

kotacoug Truly Addicted User

The crown of the helmet. 100% targeting as defined by the rule book.

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kotacoug

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Rewatch on the game, we got really lucky ASU kept making stupid mistakes. Drops, penalties. They had chances.

Turnpike Lane CB Barometer

9/19/21 12:30pm

Agreed.

Blueto

9/19/21 12:30pm

They fumbled the opening kickoff also.

idcougarfan

9/19/21 12:30pm

Yes that game could have been very different

cheezedawg

9/19/21 12:31pm

Much better to see mistakes with a W in the books though.

rtNelson

9/19/21 12:31pm

How many penalties did they have total? The ESPN box score didn't show it

TNT

9/19/21 12:32pm

Did you have it on Mute? They had a running talley, and I think it ended at 16

cougaman

9/19/21 12:33pm

Seems when they said that the game wasn't over yet

TNT

9/19/21 12:33pm

It was at least 16.

cougaman

9/19/21 12:39pm

We had plenty of mistakes too. Good teams make you pay for mistakes. We did that

Samsonite

9/19/21 12:32pm

Yep exactly. Mistakes happen in every game. Good teams capitalize on the

ByuImaginesDragons

9/19/21 1:06pm

They had 16 penalties with more declined. 4 TOs. That’s more than just mistakes happen. That’s we had good fortune.

Turnpike Lane

9/19/21 3:24pm

BYU was very fortunate to beat what to me looked like a much more talented

cougaman

9/19/21 12:32pm

Yeah ASU more talented for sure

TNT

9/19/21 12:33pm

How do you eyeball talent? Foot speed, quickness? If that's it you're looking

basman

9/19/21 1:12pm

Honest question, do you disagree with my assessment that they were more talented

cougaman

9/19/21 1:31pm

Yes. I don’t think they were. You’re buying into past misconceptions

kotacoug

9/19/21 1:32pm

No, I'm trusting my eyes and what I saw on the field. The DL was getting pushed

cougaman

9/19/21 1:47pm

Everyone knows BYU wasn’t the more talented team. Fortunately for us that’s only

NWCoug

9/19/21 12:32pm

Another part is heart and dare I say grit, which our team has for sure.

ByuImaginesDragons

9/19/21 1:07pm

I think at a neutral site they beat us 7 out of 10 times

Covid-19

9/19/21 12:32pm

Thanks Vegas!

TNT

9/19/21 12:33pm

I also wonder how differently the game turns out if they call targeting on ASU.

BGRTHNUMEGO

9/19/21 12:33pm

This was a huge no call. Could have really changed the game

SUAVO

9/19/21 12:35pm

Just my opinion, but didn't look like targeting to me. Head went more to the

cougaman

9/19/21 12:40pm

Defender lead with the crown of the helmet,

kotacoug

9/19/21 1:34pm

Looked like his helmet was to the side and more into the shoulder. Only reason

cougaman

9/19/21 1:48pm

Doesn’t matter where his helmet was on contact it is the FACT that he lead with

kotacoug

9/19/21 1:50pm

If he didn't hit him with the crown, and it was to the side, then he didn't lead

cougaman

9/19/21 2:01pm

Have you watched the replay? I’ve rewound it 10 times just now. You’re wrong,

kotacoug

9/19/21 2:02pm

It was obvious. Defender put his head down well before he hit hall

SUAVO

9/19/21 2:05pm

I have watched the replay, and yes, I still disagree.

cougaman

9/19/21 3:20pm

RE: I have watched the replay, and yes, I still disagree.

SUAVO

9/19/21 3:32pm

Glad you can see so well through your blue homer lenses.

cougaman

9/19/21 3:39pm

I'm glad most of the national media looks through those same glasses

SUAVO

9/19/21 3:48pm

Look at the second replay. He has his head to the side, but Hall lowers his body

cougaman

9/19/21 3:51pm

This is from a veteran NFL referee. Most people agree with him. You can even

SUAVO

9/19/21 4:00pm

I think the way that hall leaned back after the defender started the contact

cougaman

9/19/21 4:14pm

Yes, he can anticipate it. Hall stops and braces for the hit. He doesn't make

SUAVO

9/19/21 4:17pm

And what happens if Hall decides to not slow down and runs him over. The

cougaman

9/19/21 4:30pm

Textbook targeting. One of the indicators of targeting is worded this way:

BGRTHNUMEGO

9/19/21 1:37pm

Also QB behind the LOS

kotacoug

9/19/21 1:42pm

You don't have to hit the helmet for targeting. Even though he speared his

SUAVO

9/19/21 2:04pm

We also managed to not get points twice when we were in field goal range.

bluescholar

9/19/21 12:34pm

Agreed, and I was wondering, does good fortune come to really good teams more?

4slyce

9/19/21 12:34pm

“Winning favors the team that makes the fewest mistakes” - Bobby Knight

CougieMcCougFace

9/19/21 12:35pm

That's pretty much what most of us expected.

shoganai

9/19/21 12:35pm

Yep. ASU reminded me of what BYU has done in previous BYU-UU games

Flyski

9/19/21 12:38pm

BYU has lost a lot of games doing the same thing ASU did last night...

Coug

9/19/21 12:38pm

That’s asu though. Massively undisciplined but super talented

Cougforgood

9/19/21 12:40pm

That is who they are. We beat them. Ot woula be like saying….

kotacoug

9/19/21 12:43pm

Our defense Gives the impression that the other team is always in it.

Bluedomination

9/19/21 12:43pm

We also screwed up one of those drives with crowd noise so it wasn’t all “luck”

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