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Jan 15, 2022
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TrackCoug
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There are five major statistical categories in the NBA
Stockton is the all time leader in two of them. Advanced stats support him:
Basketball-Reference.com
NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Value Over Replacement Player | Basketball-Reference.com
NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Value Over Replacement Player
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html
Nash taught us what a joke the MVP award can be.
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Been working on my all time list, tell me where I’m wrong…
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:06pm
Lebron is not Tier 1. Only Jordan is.
WJCougar
1/15/22 1:08pm
I disagree, he’s closer to Jordan than he is to Magic/Bird etc.
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:10pm
You can disagree. That's OK. Jordan is in his own Tier.
WJCougar
1/15/22 1:10pm
Quick glance: Kobe too high.
BGRTHNUMEGO
1/15/22 1:10pm
I'm not a Lakers fan, but give Kobe his due...he won 5 rings. That's impressive.
BlooCoog
1/15/22 1:15pm
Maybe, it’s hard to argue with 5 titles(with at least 2 as the best player)
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:17pm
I’ll come back to this later, but would just say he was the best player on those
BGRTHNUMEGO
1/15/22 1:24pm
Who do you think was the most impactful on those last two titles? Gasol?
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:29pm
Good list, except John Stockton belongs in Tier 3. His numbers are unreal.
BlooCoog
1/15/22 1:13pm
Everyone in tier 3 won an mvp or title as best player, that was the cutoff
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:18pm
Was Charles Barkley a cut above John Stockton just because he won an MVP? No. I
BlooCoog
1/15/22 1:25pm
Fair, but I’d bump Barkley down before I moved Stockton up
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:28pm
Who was the best guy on the 83 team?
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 1:43pm
The numbers(and finals mvp)say Moses, but I wasn’t around so hard to say.
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:57pm
So Dr J has a possible 2nd man title and 1 MVP
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 2:02pm
ABA, but I’d listen to an argument on pushing him back as I never saw Dr J play
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:08pm
Stockton Tier 4? Lol!
TrackCoug
1/15/22 1:14pm
He has a lot more in common with the CP3/Robinson/Wade/Pippen/Payton group
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:26pm
You’re just wrong
TrackCoug
1/15/22 1:33pm
Stockton won an mvp? A title? News to me
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:34pm
There are five major statistical categories in the NBA
TrackCoug
1/15/22 1:42pm
Stockton had an awesome career and crazy longevity
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:54pm
“I’d also point out that everyone in tier 3 was clearly the best player on team”
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 2:05pm
Didn’t mean always, Steph and KD have clearly been best player at times
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:11pm
Steph Curry and KD to T2, Chris Paul and John Stockton, Kidd to T3
TO11
1/15/22 1:14pm
I originally had Curry tier 2…I think he’s knocking on the door and gets there
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:21pm
The amount of NBA titles, all time 3pt, and way he has changed the NBA gets it
TO11
1/15/22 1:28pm
I’d move Curry, KD, Hakeem, and Kawhi up a tier
Odysseus
1/15/22 1:30pm
Kawhi is an interesting case…his disregard for the reg season makes him tough
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:36pm
Elvin Hayes? Also Carmelo deserves tier 4. Top 10 scorer
Tare
1/15/22 1:34pm
I’ve got both in the next tier, don’t really have a read on Hayes at all
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:39pm
I would move David Robinson to Tier 3
Courtimedes
1/15/22 1:36pm
My thing is he only won when Duncan came around and Hakeem was clearly better
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:41pm
It's a good point, but I don't think you have put head-to-head as a punishment
Courtimedes
1/15/22 1:53pm
Ya the h2h wasn’t the deciding factor. Moreso that he didn’t win w/o Duncan
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:04pm
KD is closer to tier 1 than the tier you have him in. If he had a shorter big
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 1:37pm
1 MVP, 2 titles(debatable who was the best player between him and Curry)
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 1:46pm
It wasn’t debatable. KD was a monster in GS
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 1:49pm
numbers were about as close as it gets…tho Steph falls off a touch in playoffs
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:17pm
KD had more win shares, better box score +\-, and a better Vorp when they played
Charles Darwin
1/15/22 2:29pm
Not sure why my link didn’t work but taking 16-17 through 18-19
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:38pm
You’d have a hard time putting Bryant ahead of most of tier 3 and
wjman11
1/15/22 2:13pm
I agree with Robinson being too low, but I personally
Courtimedes
1/15/22 2:22pm
I thought Duncan was overrated his whole career too and was Team KG, but
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 2:23pm
If anything Duncan is underrated. If he had played in LA NY Chicago or Boston
Tare
1/15/22 3:17pm
He was on a consistently winning team but his personal numbers just don't match
wjman11
1/15/22 4:21pm
There’s a balance you have to find,but you don’t happen upon 5 titles by chance
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 4:33pm
There is no stat for leadership and making those around you excel.
Tare
1/15/22 6:43pm
There is no stat for leadership because its entirely subjective.
wjman11
1/15/22 8:31pm
You bring up some good points, a lot of the points I used to say KG>Tim
PHXSUNS31
1/15/22 10:50pm
I think your premise is reasonable and there is no perfect ranking system.
wjman11
1/16/22 12:56am
My thought process:
PHXSUNS31
1/16/22 9:22am
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