Didn’t mean always, Steph and KD have clearly been best player at times

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Jan 15, 2022
2:11:52pm

PHXSUNS31 Truly Addicted User

Didn’t mean always, Steph and KD have clearly been best player at times

Same with Dr J and Moses. I mean Kareem and Magic played a ton together too.

Was there anytime when Stockton was the best player on any team he played for in the NBA. Now that’s not entirely fair as he played his whole prime with Malone, but the fact that they never won kinda helps my case that Stockton is not tier 3.

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PHXSUNS31

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Been working on my all time list, tell me where I’m wrong…

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:06pm

Lebron is not Tier 1. Only Jordan is.

WJCougar

1/15/22 1:08pm

I disagree, he’s closer to Jordan than he is to Magic/Bird etc.

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:10pm

You can disagree. That's OK. Jordan is in his own Tier.

WJCougar

1/15/22 1:10pm

Quick glance: Kobe too high.

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/15/22 1:10pm

I'm not a Lakers fan, but give Kobe his due...he won 5 rings. That's impressive.

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:15pm

Maybe, it’s hard to argue with 5 titles(with at least 2 as the best player)

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:17pm

I’ll come back to this later, but would just say he was the best player on those

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/15/22 1:24pm

Who do you think was the most impactful on those last two titles? Gasol?

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:29pm

Good list, except John Stockton belongs in Tier 3. His numbers are unreal.

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:13pm

Everyone in tier 3 won an mvp or title as best player, that was the cutoff

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:18pm

Was Charles Barkley a cut above John Stockton just because he won an MVP? No. I

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:25pm

Fair, but I’d bump Barkley down before I moved Stockton up

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:28pm

Who was the best guy on the 83 team?

1/15/22 1:43pm

The numbers(and finals mvp)say Moses, but I wasn’t around so hard to say.

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:57pm

So Dr J has a possible 2nd man title and 1 MVP

1/15/22 2:02pm

ABA, but I’d listen to an argument on pushing him back as I never saw Dr J play

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:08pm

Stockton Tier 4? Lol!

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:14pm

He has a lot more in common with the CP3/Robinson/Wade/Pippen/Payton group

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:26pm

You’re just wrong

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:33pm

Stockton won an mvp? A title? News to me

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:34pm

There are five major statistical categories in the NBA

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:42pm

Stockton had an awesome career and crazy longevity

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:54pm

“I’d also point out that everyone in tier 3 was clearly the best player on team”

1/15/22 2:05pm

Didn’t mean always, Steph and KD have clearly been best player at times

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:11pm

Steph Curry and KD to T2, Chris Paul and John Stockton, Kidd to T3

TO11

1/15/22 1:14pm

I originally had Curry tier 2…I think he’s knocking on the door and gets there

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:21pm

The amount of NBA titles, all time 3pt, and way he has changed the NBA gets it

TO11

1/15/22 1:28pm

I’d move Curry, KD, Hakeem, and Kawhi up a tier

Odysseus

1/15/22 1:30pm

Kawhi is an interesting case…his disregard for the reg season makes him tough

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:36pm

Elvin Hayes? Also Carmelo deserves tier 4. Top 10 scorer

Tare

1/15/22 1:34pm

I’ve got both in the next tier, don’t really have a read on Hayes at all

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:39pm

I would move David Robinson to Tier 3

Courtimedes

1/15/22 1:36pm

My thing is he only won when Duncan came around and Hakeem was clearly better

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:41pm

It's a good point, but I don't think you have put head-to-head as a punishment

Courtimedes

1/15/22 1:53pm

Ya the h2h wasn’t the deciding factor. Moreso that he didn’t win w/o Duncan

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:04pm

KD is closer to tier 1 than the tier you have him in. If he had a shorter big

1/15/22 1:37pm

1 MVP, 2 titles(debatable who was the best player between him and Curry)

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:46pm

It wasn’t debatable. KD was a monster in GS

1/15/22 1:49pm

numbers were about as close as it gets…tho Steph falls off a touch in playoffs

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:17pm

KD had more win shares, better box score +\-, and a better Vorp when they played

1/15/22 2:29pm

Not sure why my link didn’t work but taking 16-17 through 18-19

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:38pm

You’d have a hard time putting Bryant ahead of most of tier 3 and

wjman11

1/15/22 2:13pm

I agree with Robinson being too low, but I personally

Courtimedes

1/15/22 2:22pm

I thought Duncan was overrated his whole career too and was Team KG, but

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:23pm

If anything Duncan is underrated. If he had played in LA NY Chicago or Boston

Tare

1/15/22 3:17pm

He was on a consistently winning team but his personal numbers just don't match

wjman11

1/15/22 4:21pm

There’s a balance you have to find,but you don’t happen upon 5 titles by chance

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 4:33pm

There is no stat for leadership and making those around you excel.

Tare

1/15/22 6:43pm

There is no stat for leadership because its entirely subjective.

wjman11

1/15/22 8:31pm

You bring up some good points, a lot of the points I used to say KG>Tim

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 10:50pm

I think your premise is reasonable and there is no perfect ranking system.

wjman11

1/16/22 12:56am

My thought process:

PHXSUNS31

1/16/22 9:22am

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