Ya the h2h wasn’t the deciding factor. Moreso that he didn’t win w/o Duncan

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Jan 15, 2022
2:04:25pm

PHXSUNS31 Truly Addicted User

Ya the h2h wasn’t the deciding factor. Moreso that he didn’t win w/o Duncan

But you could make a case. A better case than those arguing for Stockton. He’s closer to Barkley/KG/Dirk than Stockton is and has the MVP(5 top 3 finishes), titles, and All-NBA teams(4) to back it up.

I will say that I wanted to cut off tier 3 after Giannis, but decided to extend it to include those 4 PF…I may get less push back if I just put KG/Dirk/Barkley/Malone in tier 4 haha. Oscar and Jerry would’ve stayed in tier 3

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Been working on my all time list, tell me where I’m wrong…

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:06pm

Lebron is not Tier 1. Only Jordan is.

WJCougar

1/15/22 1:08pm

I disagree, he’s closer to Jordan than he is to Magic/Bird etc.

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:10pm

You can disagree. That's OK. Jordan is in his own Tier.

WJCougar

1/15/22 1:10pm

Quick glance: Kobe too high.

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/15/22 1:10pm

I'm not a Lakers fan, but give Kobe his due...he won 5 rings. That's impressive.

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:15pm

Maybe, it’s hard to argue with 5 titles(with at least 2 as the best player)

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:17pm

I’ll come back to this later, but would just say he was the best player on those

BGRTHNUMEGO

1/15/22 1:24pm

Who do you think was the most impactful on those last two titles? Gasol?

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:29pm

Good list, except John Stockton belongs in Tier 3. His numbers are unreal.

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:13pm

Everyone in tier 3 won an mvp or title as best player, that was the cutoff

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:18pm

Was Charles Barkley a cut above John Stockton just because he won an MVP? No. I

BlooCoog

1/15/22 1:25pm

Fair, but I’d bump Barkley down before I moved Stockton up

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:28pm

Who was the best guy on the 83 team?

1/15/22 1:43pm

The numbers(and finals mvp)say Moses, but I wasn’t around so hard to say.

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:57pm

So Dr J has a possible 2nd man title and 1 MVP

1/15/22 2:02pm

ABA, but I’d listen to an argument on pushing him back as I never saw Dr J play

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:08pm

Stockton Tier 4? Lol!

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:14pm

He has a lot more in common with the CP3/Robinson/Wade/Pippen/Payton group

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:26pm

You’re just wrong

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:33pm

Stockton won an mvp? A title? News to me

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:34pm

There are five major statistical categories in the NBA

TrackCoug

1/15/22 1:42pm

Stockton had an awesome career and crazy longevity

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:54pm

“I’d also point out that everyone in tier 3 was clearly the best player on team”

1/15/22 2:05pm

Didn’t mean always, Steph and KD have clearly been best player at times

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:11pm

Steph Curry and KD to T2, Chris Paul and John Stockton, Kidd to T3

TO11

1/15/22 1:14pm

I originally had Curry tier 2…I think he’s knocking on the door and gets there

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:21pm

The amount of NBA titles, all time 3pt, and way he has changed the NBA gets it

TO11

1/15/22 1:28pm

I’d move Curry, KD, Hakeem, and Kawhi up a tier

Odysseus

1/15/22 1:30pm

Kawhi is an interesting case…his disregard for the reg season makes him tough

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:36pm

Elvin Hayes? Also Carmelo deserves tier 4. Top 10 scorer

Tare

1/15/22 1:34pm

I’ve got both in the next tier, don’t really have a read on Hayes at all

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:39pm

I would move David Robinson to Tier 3

Courtimedes

1/15/22 1:36pm

My thing is he only won when Duncan came around and Hakeem was clearly better

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:41pm

It's a good point, but I don't think you have put head-to-head as a punishment

Courtimedes

1/15/22 1:53pm

Ya the h2h wasn’t the deciding factor. Moreso that he didn’t win w/o Duncan

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:04pm

KD is closer to tier 1 than the tier you have him in. If he had a shorter big

1/15/22 1:37pm

1 MVP, 2 titles(debatable who was the best player between him and Curry)

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 1:46pm

It wasn’t debatable. KD was a monster in GS

1/15/22 1:49pm

numbers were about as close as it gets…tho Steph falls off a touch in playoffs

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:17pm

KD had more win shares, better box score +\-, and a better Vorp when they played

1/15/22 2:29pm

Not sure why my link didn’t work but taking 16-17 through 18-19

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:38pm

You’d have a hard time putting Bryant ahead of most of tier 3 and

wjman11

1/15/22 2:13pm

I agree with Robinson being too low, but I personally

Courtimedes

1/15/22 2:22pm

I thought Duncan was overrated his whole career too and was Team KG, but

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 2:23pm

If anything Duncan is underrated. If he had played in LA NY Chicago or Boston

Tare

1/15/22 3:17pm

He was on a consistently winning team but his personal numbers just don't match

wjman11

1/15/22 4:21pm

There’s a balance you have to find,but you don’t happen upon 5 titles by chance

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 4:33pm

There is no stat for leadership and making those around you excel.

Tare

1/15/22 6:43pm

There is no stat for leadership because its entirely subjective.

wjman11

1/15/22 8:31pm

You bring up some good points, a lot of the points I used to say KG>Tim

PHXSUNS31

1/15/22 10:50pm

I think your premise is reasonable and there is no perfect ranking system.

wjman11

1/16/22 12:56am

My thought process:

PHXSUNS31

1/16/22 9:22am

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