That was my understanding as well, sucks to deal with the primary pollution

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Jan 18, 2022
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Charles Darwin Intervention Needed

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Charles Darwin

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Pic taken earlier this morning, after exercising / walking around town and feeling my lungs get tight.

Division Bell On again off again

1/18/22 12:07pm

Humblebrag….to say you live on the bench

FromCAtoUT

1/18/22 12:11pm

*grati-brag... been decades in the making, been here since my 20's.

Division Bell

1/18/22 12:12pm

weird thing to get triggered by

maxpowers

1/18/22 12:28pm

I forgot how high up the bench you live

Pete

1/18/22 12:11pm

I don’t get why Utahns put up with this. The outdoors is sort of your

Iman23

1/18/22 12:17pm

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Buffalo

1/18/22 12:19pm

A proposal is in the legislature to do away with public transit fares

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 12:22pm

Flatten the Wasatch Range. Then the wind would carry it away.

Shore10

1/18/22 12:24pm

This ^^^ is precisely what it would take. I don't understand how some people can't understand the role of geography.

Soupie

1/18/22 12:26pm

it's been this way forever yet every winter we hear about all the pollution

maxpowers

1/18/22 12:29pm

You'd prefer it stays this way?

Yiowa

1/18/22 12:31pm

no but what would you like to do that will change nature?

maxpowers

1/18/22 12:33pm

Utah has always had an issue. But it is significantly worse now.

Yiowa

1/18/22 12:35pm

Its actually significantly better than it was in the 70 and 80s. I don't know

johnnybyu

1/18/22 12:38pm

I've heard this from people who lived here 30-40 years ago

maxpowers

1/18/22 12:39pm

Right. What I meant by worse was before significant human pollution

Yiowa

1/18/22 12:45pm

100%. In Utah Valley the main culprits were Geneva Steel and the iron plant in South Provo. They are both gone now and

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 2:32pm

Fireplaces are used way less now

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 4:29pm

That power plant is gas-fired and quite clean. I remember one time we lost a seal on a battery on the coke plant. Within

Division Bell

1/18/22 4:34pm

Cleaner but still not ideal for a valley with inversions.

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 4:38pm

Understood. I wish we had more access to the power from IPP, but IIRC, most of that power is already sold to CA markets.

Division Bell

1/18/22 4:47pm

That was my understanding as well, sucks to deal with the primary pollution

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 4:50pm

Owned by LA

Nat Gas Man

1/18/22 4:57pm

I think it all goes to LA so that they can have electricity while pretending that they don’t have to burn coal in order

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 4:58pm

Isn’t the vast majority of what you see steam?

Soupie

1/18/22 5:53pm

Yes. I think it's the steam from the cooling process.

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 5:57pm

Yes but that doesn't mean it has low emissions. It is low compared to coal for

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 6:02pm

Yes, fireplaces are part of it. But that power plant is WAY less polluting than Geneva was. Pretty sure it’s a nat gas

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 4:56pm

40% to 60% depending on the type of pollution

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 6:10pm

The article I referenced below says it is much better now.

O Gaucho

1/18/22 12:39pm

There an old guy in our EQ that mentioned how this is nothing compared to what

tander123

1/18/22 4:29pm

Go back and read the talk from Pres Hinckley ~1990 where he talks about how every spring they had to scrub soot from the

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 5:00pm

Wind turbines in reverse

AggieWeekendCougar

1/18/22 12:58pm

Anyone hear the rumor that Gov. Bangerter actually proposed giant wind turbines

m0resn0w

1/18/22 1:19pm

Once the pumps were built, he had to keep those family members employed doing something.

Hank Rearden

1/18/22 1:23pm

Could be more of a reality than people think.

Shore10

1/18/22 6:04pm

This is the number one reason we'd never move to UT or SL counties. Air pollution. The kids are gone and two of them

lightmann

1/18/22 12:25pm

Honestly it's only a few weeks a year when there's a high pressure inversion. Gets exaggerated.

Soupie

1/18/22 12:28pm

It actually covers the entire state. Prolly best to stay away.

m0resn0w

1/18/22 12:48pm

Definitely.

Soupie

1/18/22 1:06pm

LOL. The only way to fix it is to not live in a valley. I'd love to send half

O Gaucho

1/18/22 12:27pm

Here is a good article from KSL that tells the history of inversions in Utah.

O Gaucho

1/18/22 12:31pm

While it does outline the issues to say that green energy is the reason is not

Nat Gas Man

1/18/22 1:04pm

Great write up. The last suggestion was your best.

Hank Rearden

1/18/22 1:24pm

I agree, and yet get laughed at every time I suggest changes.

runnincoug

1/18/22 12:34pm

It's too cold and the weather is too iffy for biking for a good 4 months...

reddead

1/18/22 12:46pm

It can be a lot of fun!

m0resn0w

1/18/22 12:50pm

lol

reddead

1/18/22 12:52pm

Did he say that? I don't think he did. He said we need safe biking

Yiowa

1/18/22 1:02pm

2nd paragraph stated a need to subsidize public transit/increase ridership

reddead

1/18/22 2:01pm

The data doesn't support your argument

runnincoug

1/18/22 1:22pm

Your big IF is the fly in the ointment

reddead

1/18/22 2:16pm

I think we actually are agreeing here. My point is to make the transit easier

runnincoug

1/18/22 2:25pm

Inversions have been around for centuries. The Paiutes that lived there even had a word for it.

SingleStrapBackpack

1/18/22 2:31pm

Paiutes didn’t live on the Wasatch front

Charles Darwin

1/18/22 4:31pm

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