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Jun 23, 2022
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VenomFarmer

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Joined: Jan 16, 2006
Last login: Sep 25, 2022
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Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender status

Blueto

Jun 22, 2:32pm

What was time of possession?

TNT

Jun 22, 2:34pm

Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per

Blueto

Jun 22, 2:37pm

ToP is never irrelevant, especially with BYU. There may be a reason the O wasn't

Borg

Jun 22, 2:41pm

TOP is the single most overrated stat in football. This has been repeatedly debunked and people still cling to it

Indy Coug

Jun 22, 3:10pm

Mike Leach agrees with you

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 3:23pm

Mike Leach is the man regardless.

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:24pm

I’ve been trying to get exactly this across for a long time. TOP could be a means to some small list of potential ends,

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:28pm

TOP is often irrelevant

Future_Tacos

Jun 22, 3:10pm

Good thoughts, Sadly the actual game was completely different.

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 3:16pm

Interesting point. Thanks for looking that up.

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:29pm

They kept our O on the field as many times as the national average... what??

Rat

Jun 22, 5:33pm

‘BYU was out…’ scheduled that day

NYC and Japan

Jun 22, 9:12pm

Of course it's relevant in a game where BYU's elite offense couldn't seem to get in a rhythm.

mulletino

Jun 22, 2:46pm

1 of those possessions was end of half. The other was end of game.

Beggar

Jun 22, 3:05pm

RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per

ProvoRoots

Jun 22, 4:25pm

2 of those possessions they had around 30 seconds

cougaman

Jun 22, 6:36pm

RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per

imdocrob

Jun 22, 10:14pm

I guess I'm confused

Blueto

Jun 22, 10:41pm

RE: I guess I'm confused

imdocrob

Jun 23, 4:52pm

And how many possessions did BYU have relative to season average?

Gustav

Jun 22, 2:37pm

Great question

TNT

Jun 22, 2:49pm

Time of Possession was terrible...because BYU offense couldn't sustain a drive

krindorr

Jun 22, 5:43pm

Um, the reason the score was so low was because they played ball-control offense

cvd6262

Jun 22, 2:34pm

That's why BYU scored 3 points in its final 6 possessions. . . Now I get it.

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 2:41pm

This- CCU realized Byu was a big play offense- limit their time on the field

1984coug

Jun 22, 2:41pm

Also didn't help that we scored a TD on the first play of the game, only to have it called back on a hold

thewaterboy

Jun 22, 2:46pm

You just had to remind us. I had all but forgotten that play.

Big Daddy D

Jun 22, 3:05pm

The offense playing poorly is a reflection on Tuiaki? This is the stuff I'm

Blueto

Jun 22, 2:51pm

Both units failed. Tuiaki’s D fails more consistentlu than that offense. This is

kotacoug

Jun 22, 3:03pm

Not that game. Defense far out performed offense that game especially considering opponent and circumstances.

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:05pm

The O sucked. The D sucked. When we needed the D to step up and make a stop they

kotacoug

Jun 22, 8:16pm

What field do you work in? Imagine being only given 1/3 resources to succeed

1984coug

Jun 22, 3:27pm

Imagine failing with whatever resources you do have - why should you be given...

Eddie

Jun 22, 3:32pm

*Getting* the ball is a resource. They had as many resources. *Keeping* the ball is up to you. In fact, your minutes of

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:41pm

Yes - no one is saying that the defense needed the offense to control the clock.

Eddie

Jun 22, 3:28pm

Definitely more

mvtoro

Jun 22, 3:42pm

That was coastals strategy going into the game

BYU '80

Jun 22, 11:23pm

Except they didn't control the ball.

VenomFarmer

Jun 23, 12:50am

RE: Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender

Reasonable1

Jun 22, 2:35pm

I don't know how you could watch that game and walk away defending anyone.

Big Red Thunder

Jun 22, 2:35pm

I would have liked to have defended Wilson on the final play of the first half.

Coach's Dad

Jun 22, 2:55pm

Did you watch the UAB game too?

DavisCoCoug

Jun 22, 2:36pm

You serious?? This game is what made me turn on Tuiaki.

CObluezone

Jun 22, 2:36pm

The offense was equally atrocious that game

Corn Pop

Jun 22, 3:00pm

There was plenty of blame to go around for that one...

NOCAL_YFAN

Jun 22, 2:37pm

Very accurate post

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 2:59pm

The offense was not good that game. But I'm going to let you in on a little

byubyu

Jun 22, 2:37pm

Aye. It was almost like it was CCU's game plan....

Doogal McCougar

Jun 22, 2:40pm

Expect USF and Baylor (among others) to use that same game plan this year

thewaterboy

Jun 22, 2:42pm

Also, BYU's longest drives were 3:41 and 3:51 and both ended in punts.

byubyu

Jun 22, 2:41pm

BYU averaged 1.54 points per drive. So you're saying they needed 13 drives to

Blueto

Jun 22, 2:44pm

17, 13, 11. 94, 85, 51. 9:06, 5:54, 6:06. TD, TD, TD. But yay for holding them

byubyu

Jun 22, 2:48pm

Here is the issue. When you play an option team and never take a lead they are

Blueto

Jun 22, 3:03pm

BYU led at the half 14 - 13

Beggar

Jun 22, 3:05pm

And scored 3 points on 6 drives in the second half. Ball game.

Blueto

Jun 22, 3:07pm

RE: And scored 3 points on 6 drives in the second half. Ball game.

chilawcoug

Jun 22, 3:25pm

2 of those drives ended essentially in hail marys but cool stat.

mulletino

Jun 22, 3:25pm

BYU led 7-6. BYU led 17-13.

byubyu

Jun 22, 3:08pm

Except Costal wasn't an option team, they were an RPO team with the run option

byublue42

Jun 22, 7:54pm

Points allowed per possession! That’s the key data point

kotacoug

Jun 22, 2:42pm

Here’s your answer

Tuskaloosa Cougar

Jun 22, 4:48pm

Congrats on the worst take of 2022! Exciting!

OMIllionaire

Jun 22, 2:39pm

Your own, personal bias has made you blind if you truly believe the offense

Corn Pop

Jun 22, 2:52pm

Haha yup. He basically said, "No one blamed the offense, so I'm going to

byubyu

Jun 22, 3:01pm

Haha nope. I'm linking a thread that is talking about Tuiaki. Coastal is brought

Blueto

Jun 22, 3:05pm

That's because people like you continue to think this is good defense:

byubyu

Jun 22, 3:08pm

Tuiaki is FANTASTIC

TeeKaa

Jun 22, 2:59pm

17, 11, 13...

Beggar

Jun 22, 3:04pm

That loss was on the offense. Allgeier fumble and Romney drop on 4th down.

Jimmerfan32

Jun 22, 3:05pm

15 play drives over and over - end of story - end of game loss

AFitisemanu

Jun 22, 3:05pm

Disagree completely

ProvoRoots

Jun 22, 3:31pm

So, your argument that the defense was good was that they held the opponent to

here's to hoping

Jun 22, 4:01pm

U act like 11 possessions is a lot, & 2 of them with 40 seconds left in half

viper

Jun 22, 4:07pm

One game and you're sold? Wow

ManicBlue

Jun 22, 4:26pm

I don't think it was one game. . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 5:54pm

Even if that WAS a good defensive performance (it wasn't), you don't take ...

Bossk82

Jun 22, 4:43pm

I'm saying that game pushed me into defending him because the scapegoating

Blueto

Jun 22, 4:50pm

You guys aren’t getting it. He’s not saying the game made him think Tuiaki is great. It showed him that CB is much less

mvtoro

Jun 22, 4:58pm

My opinion of Tuiaki and his defense

ManicBlue

Jun 22, 5:09pm

Good opinion.

boctabulous

Jun 22, 5:25pm

I can buy all that. I can't buy that Tuiaki is the only problem ever and the direct cause of every BYU loss

krindorr

Jun 22, 5:57pm

Absolutely agree. The offense and special teams all played a big role in the Boise St loss last year.

ManicBlue

Jun 22, 6:18pm

So reverse psychology works great on this poster i guess?

boctabulous

Jun 22, 5:24pm

You guess wrong. And you still don’t understand. That’s ok. 👍🏻

mvtoro

Jun 22, 8:42pm

This is exactly where I am. I don't think Tuiaki's good, but the criticism/scapegoating is over the top

krindorr

Jun 22, 5:56pm

A defense that doesn't lose and doesn't win games

akbarishiwatsu

Jun 22, 5:00pm

Let's look at Arizona St 2021

krindorr

Jun 22, 5:59pm

Defense looked really good against Utah last year and pretty good against Az st.

here's to hoping

Jun 22, 9:21pm

Board name checks out

chilawcoug

Jun 22, 10:26pm

Great idea. Use an extremely small sample size to draw a conclusion.

boctabulous

Jun 22, 5:21pm

but but but time of possesion

Rat

Jun 22, 5:32pm

You are a defender of Tuiaki because the O laid 1 egg that year? Cool story

stansburycoug

Jun 22, 5:49pm

Pattern started in 2016 . . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge

Zoobieman

Jun 22, 6:06pm

I think the issue is that offenses and defenses need to complement each other...

icecougar

Jun 22, 7:21pm

Holding Coastal to 15 points under their average isn’t like holding Georgia 15

The_ATL

Jun 22, 7:34pm

Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.

ForzaPuma

Jun 22, 11:28pm

RE: Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.

Blueto

Jun 22, 11:59pm

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