No, I'm saying it's the general attitude we have here towards rankings

Jul 3, 2022
8:07:31am

krindorr Intervention Needed

Not that it's unique to us, but we tend to believe metrics when they say what we want and dismiss them when they don't.

Washington being ahead of BYU in rankings is not evidence that the rankings are screwed up

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Post made on Utah & Oregon Board by Baylor fan

BUBearsFan72

7/3/22 5:29am

Well done- one point of difference is the academics of the PAC. They are all

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 5:56am

RE: Well done- one point of difference is the academics of the PAC. They are all

BUBearsFan72

7/3/22 6:09am

You just posted it on Utah's board. There are more of them on CB than any UU

Dryfire

7/3/22 9:56am

Washington is a far better school than BYU or Baylor

Hotlanta

7/3/22 6:28am

RE: Washington is a far better school than BYU or Baylor

BUBearsFan72

7/3/22 6:33am

Lots of lists out there.

Taccoug

7/3/22 7:00am

In US News, it’s UW #59, Baylor 75, BYU 79, UofU #99

AF Cougar

7/3/22 7:24am

Haha no no it’s not. On par with BYU where we align & Baylor is just better

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 6:34am

I’ve never seen byu or Baylor ranked ahead of UW.

Taccoug

7/3/22 6:57am

If that’s the case I know ranks are even more ridiculous than I thought

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 7:03am

Rankings can be dumb but UW is a highly ranked university by any measure.

Taccoug

7/3/22 7:07am

I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said it wasn’t better than BYU or Baylor.& Baylor is

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 8:01am

"BYU is clearly better, based on every 'reasonable' ranking (you know it's unreasonable if BYU isn't ahead)"

krindorr

7/3/22 7:52am

You’re attributing that quote to me?

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 8:02am

No, I'm saying it's the general attitude we have here towards rankings

krindorr

7/3/22 8:07am

I agree- however if you knew how the rankings you shared were created you’d have

SouthernBlueBlood

7/3/22 8:22am

I'm in academia and those around me do think more highly of Washington

krindorr

7/3/22 8:39am

Your last sentence is a weird thing to say when the majority of national lists

Salami Karate

7/3/22 8:48am

You are the first person I’ve heard say Baylor is better than Washington.

Taccoug

7/3/22 9:03am

You can remove the particularly undergrad qualifier.*

Dryfire

7/3/22 10:35am

...the best BYU grad programs are better than their equivalents at Utah. And the best Utah grad programs are better than

krindorr

7/3/22 10:53am

You would be wrong in thinking that. BYU doesn't have a medical school so it

Dryfire

7/3/22 11:23am

Ok, just last I checked Utah was ahead in Math, Physics, Chemistry, CompSci, Engineering, Bio, History, English...

krindorr

7/3/22 11:34am

Anecdotally I have to assume BYU language programs are well ahead of the U,

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 11:51am

Oh, I'd certainly assume so. Couldn't find language programs ranked there, but would assume BYU is among best in US

krindorr

7/3/22 11:55am

All of those are tiny grad programs at BYU with no more than a few grad students

Dryfire

7/3/22 11:59am

So your argument is that BYU just doesn't do STEM grad? That's kind of an argument against strong graduate school

krindorr

7/3/22 12:04pm

It's not a focus for BYU. There is limited space at BYU and the focus has been

Dryfire

7/3/22 12:18pm

That's kind of my point - BYU isn't particularly strong as a graduate school option

krindorr

7/3/22 12:30pm

Wrong. The MBA, Law, and MACC are all good grad programs.

Dryfire

7/3/22 12:34pm

Sorry, not saying NO BYU grad programs are good, just that the overall depth isn't there

krindorr

7/3/22 12:58pm

US News Law Schools: BYU #22, UW #36; WSJ B-School: BYU #27, UW #37. Undergrad

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 8:58am

Yeah, once you get into grad things get different. For example ASU has very strong law and business programs

krindorr

7/3/22 11:17am

For sure. My post was a reaction to Taccoug never seeing BYU ranked above UW.

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 11:47am

I was talking overall ranking. As an accounting grad I know byu>UW in accounting

Taccoug

7/3/22 12:00pm

Okay. I can buy overall ranking although I would bet objective measures like ACT

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 3:34pm

Just a quick Google on ACT has Washington ahead (but not by much)

krindorr

7/3/22 3:39pm

Thx. Very comparable. In the same echelon. Surprised UW is slightly higher but

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 4:06pm

Yeah, people underrate Washington

krindorr

7/3/22 4:57pm

We're in agreement. I never put UW close to elite state schools like UVa, Cal,

Forzaitalia

7/3/22 6:19pm

Maybe at one time it was…

Refugee

7/3/22 6:57am

Nope

Mitty

7/3/22 10:10am

I hate UW but I respect it. Solid school.

runningryan

7/3/22 5:59pm

They aren’t ALL great schools. None of the ‘states’ have great academic rankings

moknowssports

7/3/22 10:16am

You can add Oregon and Utah to that list. Not great academically.

Dryfire

7/3/22 10:43am

Let us know if you get responses in complete sentences from any of them.

Junior Deputy

7/3/22 7:00am

This is utahs message board, so you posted at the right place

Cougforgood

7/3/22 8:06am

Almost no PAC 12 schools are a “fit”

Vert der Frick

7/3/22 10:11am

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Suguaro Sam

7/3/22 10:53am

Ute with a surprisingly coherent response

MojosDojo

7/3/22 11:50am

As i’ve said previously,

MojosDojo

7/3/22 11:52am

50 years ago is “recent?” Also, Utah fans priding themselves on the academic

Pierre Delecto

7/3/22 12:34pm

"like when BYU had no black players"... huh?

HandwovenBox

7/3/22 4:29pm

Would be awesome to see the AZ schools in B12

Srg

7/3/22 2:20pm

Adding UA to B12 bball would be unreal...and as a golfer adding ASU would be spectacular too....

HarlemCoug

7/3/22 2:46pm

You don't want Utah. BYU will dominate the tv market with or without Utah. If Utah stays p12 then 33% of their fans join

HarlemCoug

7/3/22 2:45pm

Those yewt freaks are delusional

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