I was under the impression we were discussing whether the B12 used the same

Feb 8, 2023
7:53:11am

Socrates Johnson Truly Addicted User

Approach. It didn’t. Market can be relevant, sure. But you don’t make decisions based on market size. It increases the relevance of other factors, at best. That’s my point.

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GK stays radio silent through this whole process, but wants you to know

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 7:55pm

Or they need more inventory for the TV deal to be bigger and want pansies who

inertiaman

2/7/23 7:56pm

This seems more likely

threezeroeight

2/7/23 7:59pm

Right, but why keep saying expansion comes after the TV deal is done?

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 8:00pm

Maybe the tv deal couldn't get done without expansion first

machete

2/7/23 8:02pm

This is the correct answer

inertiaman

2/7/23 8:06pm

Again, why say it loud and clear, numerous times over and over

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 8:13pm

Sounds like something changer for sure. My guess is it was an inventory problem

machete

2/8/23 9:27am

That is my guess as well.

HuskerFan2

2/7/23 8:04pm

I can't buy that. SDSU and SMU are not needed to get a deal done since they

Corn Pop

2/7/23 8:09pm

They add value, just not equivalent value. But that still works if the PAC

inertiaman

2/7/23 8:11pm

We know their current value, and it's WAAAYYYYY below the PAC.

Corn Pop

2/7/23 8:19pm

This. What do they add to the pie? $15K?

YOHONOMOTO

2/7/23 8:41pm

No, SDSU and SMU add no value whatsoever

therock

2/7/23 8:35pm

Also a plausible explanation.

BlooCoog

2/7/23 8:12pm

Another possibility is the TV networks have told him they need expansion with

BlooCoog

2/7/23 8:01pm

Pretty confident that TV isn't impacted by the additions of SDSU and SMU

CougarCanuck76

2/7/23 8:05pm

True. Neither team moves the needle financially. Really weird that this news

BlooCoog

2/7/23 8:11pm

It's not a good look for the PAC.

Corn Pop

2/7/23 8:20pm

I don't see it either, but what other explanation is there for inviting SMU and SDSU?

HuskerFan2

2/7/23 8:18pm

Fresno and San Jose… let the utes enjoy their CA friends

coot20

2/7/23 10:19pm

I mean maybe, but no one thinks SDSU and SMU turn down the PAC

Socrates Johnson

2/7/23 8:58pm

I know everyone says markets don’t matter anymore, but they do. SDSU brings

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:04pm

Market size matters when you are running a conference network and your team is

Socrates Johnson

2/7/23 9:13pm

I agree with all of that but it's undeniable that nearly all of the recent

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:27pm

Utah was a long time ago now though. You could be right but if the P12 is still

Socrates Johnson

2/7/23 9:48pm

It's how big 12 leadership thought when they invited Cincinnati, BYU and UCF.

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:53pm

I don’t think that was it; but I could be wrong.

Socrates Johnson

2/7/23 9:58pm

I don't want to split hairs here, I agree with all of that as well. But if ucf

Cougzilla

2/8/23 6:50am

Ok. Here’s the difference. SDSU has literally nothing going for it BUT market

Socrates Johnson

2/8/23 6:56am

I agree and you are literally proving my point. All these schools have to offer

Cougzilla

2/8/23 7:51am

I was under the impression we were discussing whether the B12 used the same

Socrates Johnson

2/8/23 7:53am

Yes the schools the big 12 invited offered more than just markets, but

Cougzilla

2/8/23 8:08am

Utah benefited from the 12 team rule. Keep in mind, the PAC made one last ditch

Corn Pop

2/7/23 10:01pm

That's true but if markets didn't matter what add Utah specifically?

Cougzilla

2/8/23 7:56am

I feel like we're talking in circles. Nobody is saying those things don't

Corn Pop

2/8/23 8:17am

Every post responding to my original post says markets don't matter anymore.

Cougzilla

2/8/23 8:47am

Stating that Rutgers being geographically located in the NYC market would not

Corn Pop

2/8/23 9:00am

How do you know Rutgers wouldnt be considered? SMU is currently being considered

Cougzilla

2/8/23 9:19am

Yes, the PAC is desperate. The B10 is not. The B10 won't even invite UO and UW

Corn Pop

2/8/23 9:27am

That was true when people paid cable subscriptions and channel owners

Corn Pop

2/7/23 9:19pm

Back to my original post, I know everyone says that, but they are still looking

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:30pm

We know that the B12 was told 8 teams wasn't enough, that they had to have more

Corn Pop

2/7/23 9:43pm

I agree but my point still stands. They are expanding with these 2 schools to

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:46pm

It is weird that they would choose SDSU and SMU over Boise however.

Socrates Johnson

2/7/23 9:49pm

I live in San Diego and the support for SDSU is almost 0 here.

SausageKing

2/7/23 9:22pm

It's an investment in a large market. SDSU with P5 resources and good leadership

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:32pm

Oh yeah, and SDSU and TCU ensured that the Mtn. was on basic tier cable back in

Six Foot Seven

2/7/23 9:24pm

Just 2 huge markets and more inventory.... Doesn't make it a good move though.

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:33pm

But the people in San Diego don't care about the Aztecs

davidsonlaw

2/7/23 9:45pm

It's an investment.

Cougzilla

2/7/23 9:49pm

That’s a lot of conjecture…

Refugee

2/7/23 9:08pm

Oh, it is almost nothing but conjecture

HuskerFan2

2/7/23 9:19pm

Reality is Big12 takes most of the PAC schools, up to 4-6, anytime. No rush for

NYC and Japan

2/7/23 9:25pm

IF the PAC adds two schools at some point, I think PERCEPTION may

Happy As Larry

2/7/23 10:45pm

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