What’s happening at byu isn’t unique to byu. Look at the entire landscape.

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Apr 20, 2024
6:37:28am

blackandblue Truly Addicted User

Players from every single school in the country are doing the same thing. This has nothing to do with Pope.

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blackandblue

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What I'm seeing right now: Mark Pope is sticking it to our Ath Dept & BOT for being so cheap w NIL over the last few yrs

SinkingQuffa Intervention Needed

Apr 20, 6:31am

What’s happening at byu isn’t unique to byu. Look at the entire landscape.

blackandblue

Apr 20, 6:37am

I do hope you're right on that. I do think our kids were all encouraged to jump in the Portal, though

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 6:39am

And just like Pope, money and me above all else. Nothing else matters

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 6:40am

Dude, he worked his butt off for us. Money is NOT his prime motivator in life. Look at his family, man.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 6:41am

Stick to your latest theory, you on to something

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 6:45am

And if I am — I still have to read the situation through the lens of the post you just responded to.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 6:48am

Off topic, Saunders is gone. Lost cause. Pope disciple and he was sold hard

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 6:51am

No kidding? I hate to lose Saunders. Dang.

DawgHaus

Apr 20, 6:57am

He's a tough, tough loss if true. He's the one that makes me sense a bit of vindictiveness is at play, I'll admit.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:00am

Vindictive or strangely desperate in case of luring Richie

Rexy Coug

Apr 20, 8:47am

Might not be too strange. UK will eat him alive if he don't produce quickly. Getting a kid

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 8:56am

I put that in the strangely desperate category. UK should pull more talent

Rexy Coug

Apr 20, 9:02am

"Strange" — because he's on the hot seat upon arrival? Yes, I agree if that's what you meant.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 9:05am

Right now Pope needs to sign someone to prime the pump & get things rolling. Tough spot.

Soupie

Apr 20, 9:02am

This is definitely not true. Yet.

PumaFanatico

Apr 20, 8:05am

Unless divine intervention happens, so yeeah

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 8:22am

A winner like Pope? Are you from the future? Pope couldn't even win the WCC.

JAGA97

Apr 20, 6:54am

And our all-timer HC before him did better at that? With more tries — & in an easier WCC?

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:04am

Rose never finished 5/6 in consecutive years in the wcc

BYU '80

Apr 20, 7:22am

Rose never finished below 3. He had a few 2nd places. Average WCC conf ranking

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 7:28am

Whoop-de-doo. Sounds like coronation material to me. Oh wait — yes, that's already happened.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:29am

You seem to think pope deserves coronation for much less

BYU '80

Apr 20, 7:31am

No. Just some acknowledgment as a dang good HC in his limited time. Who saved our program.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:33am

If UK plays D for Pope like you, I think they’ll be pretty good next year

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 7:38am

Or if they just play D like Pope's teams do. Our best defensive HC since Roger Reid. Hands-down.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:39am

Pope and Rose are close by the numbers. 79 and 85 avg D efficiency rankings.

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 7:54am

Average at best maybe even below average

kahuna

Apr 20, 11:51am

So how did he just hoodwink UK, then?

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 12:27pm

You’ve seen the joke where to tell someone they have something on their shoe

Forbidden Fruit

Apr 20, 1:27pm

That’s what a lot of people are asking. Least qualified uk hire in decades

BYU '80

Apr 20, 3:04pm

It's in part cuz people at UK — when they researched — were blown away w what he was able

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 3:16pm

And yet he still couldn’t beat an 11 seed that should’ve been a 13

BYU '80

Apr 20, 3:19pm

I was as disappointed by the loss as anyone. Their PF & PG were tough matchups, the refs called a perfectly physical

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 3:51pm

Pope should have prepared them for the physicality.

BYU '80

Apr 20, 10:54pm

RE: That’s what a lot of people are asking. Least qualified uk hire in

kahuna

Apr 20, 4:13pm

There is a reason he was there 5 choice

kahuna

Apr 20, 4:11pm

He was not a dang good coach. Zero tourney wins

BYU '80

Apr 20, 3:03pm

He made it clear his entire adult life that he was a Kentucky man

Longseason

Apr 20, 6:46am

I think you’re projecting quite a bit here. Kids from every program are

blackandblue

Apr 20, 6:42am

Actually, I wouldn't be projecting. I certainly might be over-thinking & over-imagining, though.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 6:43am

Stop with the narrative that they are kids…

cougarobgon

Apr 20, 7:32am

To that end...UK has zero players left on scholarship I believe.

runnincoug

Apr 20, 7:08am

I'm just excited for the Phoenix diamondbacks season. Also the Tucson Coyotes move to Utah

Crazy Joe Davola

Apr 20, 6:57am

Ha. It's early. Believe it or not I cheered a bit for that Marle/KJ/Chambers/Horny team back in the day

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:15am

The athletic dept and bot don’t control nil

BYU '80

Apr 20, 7:20am

Don't be ignorant, man. They have the control board & console entirely before them. And always have.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:27am

that's stupid, before it was against NCAA rules for AD to have that control,

cwilke1

Apr 20, 9:27am

It's the AD's JOB to manage the payroll that DOES make those decisions. And its the BOT that funds the AD.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 9:35am

wait so you're just falling back to a complaint about the honor code? the Royal

cwilke1

Apr 20, 9:44am

The Honor Code Office is one tool on the console of control the sits before the BOT (& their subordinates)

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 9:54am

It was the bot fault pope lied to players. Sure

BYU '80

Apr 20, 10:56pm

I don’t hate Pope, I loved him as our coach. My one and only gripe with him now

Sircumference

Apr 20, 7:28am

He's presently trying to retain/poach players. I understand (& appreciate) why he ain't thanking BYU right now.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 7:38am

I appreciate that but also see bigger time coaches than him manage being gracious to their departing school/fanbase.

Soupie

Apr 20, 8:31am

Two things: 1. Are these other poached HCs really coming off as gracious to their former fans, school & employers? 2.

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 8:36am

Yes. TH had an official statement including thanks to Pope immediately upon his departure.

Soupie

Apr 20, 8:45am

Thanx, soupie. As a fan, I appreciate that he wants to remain on the down low as he tries to steal Richie from me. 😉

SinkingQuffa

Apr 20, 8:50am

Usus coach is poaching players but still had graciousness. And only after one

BYU '80

Apr 20, 10:58pm

It’s never coming. Coaches in similar situations still have class. Pope doesn’t

BYU '80

Apr 20, 10:57pm

The issue I see is NIL is not sustainable as it is currently structured.

davidmj10

Apr 20, 8:10am

yes we all get that that is pay for play under the name of NIL. but since there

cwilke1

Apr 20, 9:29am

In basketball yes but what about football? Fans aren’t going to be able to

davidmj10

Apr 20, 10:16am

more power to you if you can find better use of your time and discretionary

cwilke1

Apr 20, 10:37am

I agree. Balance is achievable in other ways than this. I will always be a

davidmj10

Apr 20, 11:46am

If anyone takes the time like I did, it really seems like this guy is more a

Alan Schaefer

Apr 20, 12:21pm

RE: If anyone takes the time like I did, it really seems like this guy is more a

popecasse

Apr 20, 1:04pm

Pope likely desperate with player exodus. Kentucky might be BYU-lite next year

cougarnw

Apr 20, 1:15pm

That's ok cuz our AD & school administrators let the door hit Pope on his way...

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