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Oct 22, 2014
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Iman23

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Iman23

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Why does Dave Rose get a pass?

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 9:54am

Helps that Rose is good with fans and the media, while Bronco is a bit robotic

hessrp

10/22/14 9:56am

I agree.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 9:56am

He also calls BYU fans names from the Old Testament that TNT doesn't understand

TNT

10/22/14 9:57am

Rose acts as if he likes the fans.

Hinta

10/22/14 9:58am

It goes a LONG way with the fan base with you know how to talk to them

marticorp

10/22/14 11:38am

Bronco gets a bad rap about his relationship with fans

trevnuke

10/22/14 12:49pm

Yep, I've had one run in with Bronco and he treated me very well.

Freddie Cougar

10/22/14 1:16pm

What a strange post.

messi

10/23/14 8:03am

Just relating what happened.

Freddie Cougar

10/23/14 8:40am

Rose hasn't sniffed WCC title. I think your hangup is a personality based one...

PhilPete

10/22/14 9:58am

I think being in the championship = sniffed. Gonzaga is good and deep

jota

10/22/14 9:59am

Winning conf tourney is far from title.

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:01am

Yep. Gonzaga is our road block in the WCC, and they are a great team. We need

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:01am

Hardly. We got dumptrucked, and have never really been close to winning it

Iman23

10/22/14 10:03am

That's strange. I laid out my reasons in my post. Feel free to read it.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:00am

You give Rose that break because of personality. I think you equate a percieved

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:04am

It's adorable that you think you can put words in my mouth like that.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:08am

Its even more adorable you cannot admit your bias, "Precious".

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:09am

So you argue that Rose's program is not in a better state than football?

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:10am

Not my point at all. Basketball has issues too. Making the tourney is not

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:16am

First of all, the 64th best team goes to the NIT

BlueK

10/22/14 10:22am

Yeah all he got was a Sweet 16

SBJ

10/22/14 10:01am

the team hit some low points last year and while everyone was writing them off

BlueK

10/22/14 9:58am

I recall some pretty sad home losses to 2d tier WCC teams. I think the number of

QuinneyCoug

10/22/14 9:59am

At the end of the day I agree with you. It's dumb to compare the two.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:03am

They have both been fine, but Rose had a standout year in 2011.

QuinneyCoug

10/22/14 10:05am

Given that finding a replacement is not a trivial matter, let me ask you this

BlueK

10/22/14 10:10am

You're probably right. I guess our WCC record has left me underwhelmed.

QuinneyCoug

10/22/14 10:12am

I definitely agree that the transition to the WCC has been hard

BlueK

10/22/14 10:20am

the wheels were definitely coming off last December.

Iman23

10/22/14 10:00am

And yet they bounced back and made the tourney.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:03am

Agreed. It was an awesome display of resiliency. I still think we were gifted a

Iman23

10/22/14 10:08am

I don't think he's gotten a pass. People here have questioned Rose's ability

byujacob

10/22/14 10:02am

Sure, but I think it's fair to say he receives less criticism of Bronco.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:04am

Main reason: People care more about football.

Baron

10/22/14 10:03am

Football is just a more scrutinized sport. Lot's more money involved.

sheriffcreg

10/22/14 10:04am

it really is this simple. and the Sweet 16 is the basketball equivalent of BCS

palangi

10/22/14 10:08am

If the consensus is that a sweet 16 equals a BCS bowl, isn't that reason enough

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:09am

yes that was my point

palangi

10/22/14 10:18am

Really? How many BCS bowls were there? Five. Were there 3 teams playing

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:11am

How many D1 football programs are there vs D1 basketball programs?

foofcoug

10/22/14 10:14am

FB: 10 out of 119 make bcs = 8% Bball: 16 of 351 = 5%

palangi

10/22/14 10:17am

351, all of which are powerhouses. Absolute powerhouses.

PhilPete

10/22/14 10:22am

most bowl teams in college football are also NOT powerhouses

BlueK

10/22/14 10:26am

a lot more parity in bball than football: Butler, Wichita St, Gonzaga, St Mary's

palangi

10/22/14 10:35am

Also,making the tournament in bball is equivalent of a top 25 finish in football

palangi

10/22/14 10:22am

For BYU it is more like 3.5% for the BCS and 5.5% for Sweet 16.

Blue Cat

10/22/14 10:49am

ummm....no.

palangi

10/22/14 11:36am

It's not overthinking. It's simply having knowledge of how the sports work.

Blue Cat

10/22/14 11:41am

nope. you're wrong. get off your whack probability equation, I'm not talking

palangi

10/22/14 11:44am

I apologize. You were talking about the sports globally not as it applies to BYU

Blue Cat

10/22/14 11:48am

I agree with this - But it would make for a good related thread.

sheriffcreg

10/22/14 10:37am

Rose isn't the one taking a yewt on a top 20 program. He's building one.

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 10:10am

We might have been top 20 with a healthy team. We're not anymore.

HuskerFan2

10/22/14 10:33am

Welcome to football I guess.

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 10:42am

I've heard Bronco thank the fans a lot more than I've heard Rose

StantonMac

10/22/14 10:12am

Every basketball program has good high school talent reasonably close.

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:14am

Yeah, Payton Dastrup took no work at all

BlueK

10/22/14 10:28am

All I'm saying is Rose isn't having to turn over as many rocks to find

StantonMac

10/22/14 10:36am

That's crap. The challenge isn't finding them. Everyone knows who the good

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:38am

Lower expectations in general for basketball

cougarbart

10/22/14 10:12am

WAAAY more pressure in FB than BB.

Coug Eastwood

10/22/14 10:38am

Also just the nature of the sports

cougarbart

10/22/14 12:13pm

RE: Why does Dave Rose get a pass?

diz_dat223322

10/22/14 10:13am

Rose has only lost to Utah 4 times; he has a 12-4 record (.750) against Utah.

Ute in DC

10/22/14 10:13am

Not a bad point. A lot of my frustration with Bronco stems from his inability

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:16am

But Utah has been horrible during most of his tenure

Freddie Cougar

10/22/14 10:34am

hmm, so maybe we should knock Lavell down a bit

BlueK

10/22/14 10:35am

Um, what?

Freddie Cougar

10/22/14 10:39am

I'm not a Bronco hater, but Utah sucked during Lavell's dominance of them

BlueK

10/22/14 10:56am

All I'm saying is that if the different treatment of Dave and Bronco by fans

Freddie Cougar

10/22/14 11:07am

That's false. Most of the last several years we have been favored in football

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:41am

Um, haven't been good or have just faced much tougher competition?

Freddie Cougar

10/22/14 10:50am

Your last sentence pretty much tells me how worth my time it will be to argue

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 10:52am

But it is worth your time to correct spelling.

roseyscenario

10/22/14 11:41am

Ok ding dong, can you please post a link to where I corrected someone's

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 11:46am

Anyone ever teach you any manners?

roseyscenario

10/22/14 11:59am

I'm confused. It's not like I hunted you down to talk to you. You responded to

Epileptic Beagle

10/22/14 12:06pm

You can lose a lot of games in basketball and still be in the mix.

squashem

10/22/14 10:37am

There will always be more heat on the football coach.

Crush4

10/22/14 10:41am

We as fans are allowed to be as biased as we want with personality,

curlydurvish

10/22/14 11:43am

We can tell he's there to coach basketball and win games not...

CougarEatU

10/23/14 5:04am

Meant for OP

CougarEatU

10/23/14 5:08am

I don't believe anyone who write in red. Loses all credibiliy in my book!!

COUGAR_Blue_Avenger

10/22/14 12:25pm

RE: Rose is a stud. So is Bronco.

Coogar2

10/22/14 1:05pm

Rose does not patronize the fans and we fans have less expectation of

TolerancePlease

10/23/14 9:08am

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