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May 4, 2015
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PlanoCougar
Can you two just cut it out?
This was an interesting thread before you hijacked it.
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Does BYU's philosophy trust "system" and not "talent"?
Coug Dude
5/4/15 10:50am
Ziggy is a perfect example of BYU's NFL problem
Walter Bellhaven
5/4/15 10:53am
Wait, didn't Ziggy get drafted in the first round?
dilbert
5/4/15 10:59am
The one who was BYU's highest draft pick ever
TrueAndBlue
5/4/15 11:00am
That would be Steve Young, but I see your point.
jkccoug
5/4/15 11:17am
Highest NFL draft pick
TrueAndBlue
5/4/15 11:18am
Then it would be tied with McMahon at 5th overall pick.
jkccoug
5/4/15 11:23am
Exactly.
TrueAndBlue
5/4/15 11:25am
His point is, it was only because of any injury that got Ziggy the opportunity
Hinta
5/4/15 11:01am
Can I borrow your crystal ball some time?
kccougar
5/4/15 11:03am
Was his talent really that disguised? NFL scouts apparently didn't think so.
Zach Morris
5/4/15 11:28am
as has been pointed out, Bronco was one of the first to label him an NFL guy
WhiteKnight
5/4/15 11:34am
Neither did Bronco.
kccougar
5/4/15 11:35am
RE: Neither did Bronco.
Zach Morris
5/4/15 12:33pm
Not hating me. You seem to have adapted very well to the Hater role
kccougar
5/4/15 1:01pm
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Zach Morris
5/4/15 1:22pm
Oh, and for those keeping track at home, You win for referencing me more often.
kccougar
5/4/15 1:06pm
Can you two just cut it out?
PlanoCougar
5/4/15 1:07pm
Pot, meet Kettle and time to look in the mirror.
Acorn
5/4/15 1:44pm
You're coming off really poorly Zach.
YSMACK
5/4/15 2:28pm
You think we have Ziggy's all over the team and the only reason
kimdaddy35
5/4/15 11:06am
Gotta admit, that would be a great problem to have.
crack
5/4/15 11:08am
and he was not a liability when he was on the field.
Belboz
5/4/15 11:14am
I actually think that Ziggy would have been drafted even if he
dilbert
5/4/15 11:14am
"the opportunity" - he was in the 2-deep- at two positions, preseason. with 4
SoCalCoug
5/4/15 12:11pm
Before the season, Bronco said Ziggy would be playing in the NFL...and that was
ByuMba90
5/4/15 11:00am
I agree. I think it is the latter option as well.
Walter Bellhaven
5/4/15 11:08am
Yep, Bronco was predicting it quite early
WhiteKnight
5/4/15 11:11am
Ability and knowing how to play football are not the same thing.
thecelloguy
5/4/15 11:00am
He is a perfect example, but not how you put it
kimdaddy35
5/4/15 11:02am
It's a really tough argument to make that the coaches weren't trying to get
Left Shark Coug
5/4/15 11:04am
Do you want Mo out on the field his Fr. or So. years too?
Deadpool
5/4/15 11:08am
So we should have benched Manumaleuna even though Ziggy seemed semi-clueless?
mulletYno
5/4/15 11:12am
People who suggest that are idiots. However, we start two DE's.
Left Shark Coug
5/4/15 11:15am
We had 3 four-year starters on the DL that year, until injuries hit.
SoCalCoug
5/4/15 11:58am
Actually, 4: Dulan, Manumaleuna, Fuga, Tialavea, all seniors
SoCalCoug
5/4/15 12:01pm
And with OLB being the premier pass-rushing position in a 3-4, wouldn't you want
SoCalCoug
5/4/15 12:07pm
I actually just about fully agree with your posts
Left Shark Coug
5/4/15 12:33pm
I think every coach struggles with how to use talented players who don't
jkccoug
5/4/15 11:20am
This argument is so overplayed here, so false
Jericho
5/4/15 11:35am
I don't get how people throw BM under the bus for this one
wiscougarfan
5/4/15 11:36am
I have no problem with how Bronco
RazorbackCoug
5/4/15 11:59am
not this again...
Iman23
5/4/15 10:53am
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Mall Santa
5/4/15 11:02am
Clearly, which based on the odds is a very smart thing to do at BYU.
kccougar
5/4/15 10:53am
Interesting question, but I don't think it's "either or"
PlanoCougar
5/4/15 10:53am
I think the problem is BYU fans overestimate the number of "freak athletes"
TrueAndBlue
5/4/15 10:58am
This is a legitimate gripe
Deadpool
5/4/15 11:39am
This is a great point. We just don't have that many players of that
jkccoug
5/4/15 11:57am
I totally agree with this.
PlanoCougar
5/4/15 12:24pm
Good point
Coug Dude
5/4/15 10:59am
The defense is predicated on system responsibility. At least that is how I see
QBarrister
5/4/15 11:03am
I think Bronco values the "system" over individual talent. And for the most part
Real Men Wear Blue
5/4/15 11:34am
Good question. The issue is the Pittsburgh Steelers use the same system.
Turnpike Lane
5/4/15 12:43pm
Comes down to bad coaching and
GOBIGBLUE
5/4/15 2:26pm
BYU lacks the across the board athleticism to accomodate going off script on D
jrj84105
5/4/15 2:55pm
key observation
traveller 1860
5/4/15 3:37pm
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