I think some unique variables make the "trend" argument a little more murky.

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Oct 21, 2014
3:38:10pm

shoganai

I think some unique variables make the "trend" argument a little more murky.

BYU has never played an independent schedule before 2011, so it's tough to work out how to adjust for that.

Overall, I still think trying to use W/L percentages to make a case against Bronco is a losing effort.

Best to focus on other things, IMO. Much stronger cases to be made in more qualitative areas.

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shoganai

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Everyone likes to quote BM 70% win percentage...but let's really look at it.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 12:06pm

So take away his best seasons his win % goes down. Got it.

SCcoug

10/21/14 12:09pm

Or, you could look at the most recent seasons to gauge the current state of the

foofcoug

10/21/14 12:10pm

That shows BYU is about where they have been for the past 20 years.

SCcoug

10/21/14 12:37pm

Bronco cult stops at the %, the "haters" go deeper.

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:10pm

let's see who actually goes deeper...i'll go as deep as i can

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:29pm

See my reply bellow.

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:34pm

Recruiting is how Ole Miss did it. Recruiting is how BYU needs to as well.

lawboy

10/21/14 12:10pm

Hugh Freeze is also a difference between then and now.

foofcoug

10/21/14 12:11pm

pfft...new coaches...o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d!

nashty

10/21/14 12:55pm

And recruiting is getting better I'd say as well.

BYUfan92

10/21/14 12:11pm

Recruiting has improved. Now Bronco needs to bat better

Y'zFan

10/21/14 12:17pm

my point has been that 8-5 is not worthy of a pink slip. should his contract

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:15pm

Like I say:

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:21pm

my feeling is that you don't understand the dynamics of the coaching search post

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:25pm

And honestly, deep down, I'm on the fence about letting him finish

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:33pm

understood. it is a critical time for the program.

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:39pm

That is a good question. If the B12 invites 2 more after this year or next

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 1:19pm

with a REAL P5 schedule, his record would most likely be abysmal...

kotacoug

10/21/14 12:37pm

But that argument can only be taken so far. If we had a P5 schedule,

hansel

10/21/14 12:52pm

Bronco has a very respectable - if not solid - W/L record. Why argue that?

shoganai

10/21/14 12:15pm

If 60% win percentage against a mix of P5/G5 is considered respectable...fine.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 12:54pm

Of course it is. Very few programs do that well over long time periods.

shoganai

10/21/14 12:58pm

I think the distinction above is valid...that if we had a P5 schedule then okay.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 1:04pm

You should do more comparisons to other programs.

shoganai

10/21/14 1:07pm

Sometimes I think someone hi-jacks your account.

10/21/14 1:34pm

I do think they're relevant.

shoganai

10/21/14 1:46pm

Then the reason we argue it is that it is often cited to support keeping him

10/21/14 1:51pm

But that's pretty much always been the case at BYU. Even in the "glory" years.

shoganai

10/21/14 2:00pm

Not by itself ...

10/21/14 2:15pm

Also, Lavell never really had the trend we are seeing now

10/21/14 2:17pm

All fair points.

shoganai

10/21/14 2:24pm

Thought that was his point. Anyway, everyone agrees this season is terrible.

10/21/14 2:39pm

I'm trying to show a trend in the data. I like that Bronco turned around the

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:21pm

I don't like the "Lavell always dominated Utah" argument

hansel

10/21/14 3:13pm

Lavell was 12-0 when Utah had a losing record. Bronco is 0-2.

SpiffCoug

10/21/14 6:30pm

Wrong...

byu_coug

10/21/14 3:19pm

Also...the 2 decades of "glory" years you referenced, Lavell had a 75% win clip

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 2:26pm

What's your timeline?

shoganai

10/21/14 2:31pm

I tried to follow your suggestions: After the Arizonas went to the Pac-10: 78-97

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:09pm

So what's your overall conclusion?

shoganai

10/21/14 3:15pm

Here's what I posted above...

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:33pm

I think some unique variables make the "trend" argument a little more murky.

shoganai

10/21/14 3:38pm

But ultimately...isn't that the thing that really matters?

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 4:10pm

That is why Bronco will never be fired.

shoganai

10/21/14 4:16pm

So then what you're telling me is that TH truly isn't concerned with winning

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 4:28pm

What "championships" are you talking about?

shoganai

10/21/14 4:34pm

Apparently...none...because BYU isn't concerned with anything like that.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 5:19pm

"Hiring of assistants with little or no experience"

byu_coug

10/21/14 4:09pm

Also -- sorry if this sounded snarky. Love 99% of your posts.

10/21/14 2:24pm

Ole Miss can recruit the south, we can't. Next question.

cougarick

10/21/14 12:19pm

What about coach Edwards wins against good teams, records, etc

Justinodhan

10/21/14 12:26pm

Who cares? Coach Edwards did enough to get us a NC. The job may possibly be

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:35pm

Bronco and Lavell

SpiffCoug

10/21/14 12:58pm

Take a look at everyone he's played

RunningQB

10/21/14 12:31pm

I would be ok with 7-6 or 8-5 or so IF the schedule was a P5 type schedule.

kotacoug

10/21/14 12:35pm

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