But that argument can only be taken so far. If we had a P5 schedule,

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Oct 21, 2014
12:52:17pm

hansel

But that argument can only be taken so far. If we had a P5 schedule,

it'd be easier to recruit P5 talent to BYU. So I don't think it's fair to hold non-P5 wins against Bronco. The schedule is the schedule. Bronco's job is to have the team ready to perform well in each game on it. You can argue that his record simply isn't good enough, but not that it's not good enough if we subtract out a lot of his wins.

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Everyone likes to quote BM 70% win percentage...but let's really look at it.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 12:06pm

So take away his best seasons his win % goes down. Got it.

SCcoug

10/21/14 12:09pm

Or, you could look at the most recent seasons to gauge the current state of the

foofcoug

10/21/14 12:10pm

That shows BYU is about where they have been for the past 20 years.

SCcoug

10/21/14 12:37pm

Bronco cult stops at the %, the "haters" go deeper.

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:10pm

let's see who actually goes deeper...i'll go as deep as i can

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:29pm

See my reply bellow.

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:34pm

Recruiting is how Ole Miss did it. Recruiting is how BYU needs to as well.

lawboy

10/21/14 12:10pm

Hugh Freeze is also a difference between then and now.

foofcoug

10/21/14 12:11pm

pfft...new coaches...o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d!

nashty

10/21/14 12:55pm

And recruiting is getting better I'd say as well.

BYUfan92

10/21/14 12:11pm

Recruiting has improved. Now Bronco needs to bat better

Y'zFan

10/21/14 12:17pm

my point has been that 8-5 is not worthy of a pink slip. should his contract

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:15pm

Like I say:

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:21pm

my feeling is that you don't understand the dynamics of the coaching search post

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:25pm

And honestly, deep down, I'm on the fence about letting him finish

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:33pm

understood. it is a critical time for the program.

Government Bailout

10/21/14 12:39pm

That is a good question. If the B12 invites 2 more after this year or next

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 1:19pm

with a REAL P5 schedule, his record would most likely be abysmal...

kotacoug

10/21/14 12:37pm

But that argument can only be taken so far. If we had a P5 schedule,

hansel

10/21/14 12:52pm

Bronco has a very respectable - if not solid - W/L record. Why argue that?

shoganai

10/21/14 12:15pm

If 60% win percentage against a mix of P5/G5 is considered respectable...fine.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 12:54pm

Of course it is. Very few programs do that well over long time periods.

shoganai

10/21/14 12:58pm

I think the distinction above is valid...that if we had a P5 schedule then okay.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 1:04pm

You should do more comparisons to other programs.

shoganai

10/21/14 1:07pm

Sometimes I think someone hi-jacks your account.

10/21/14 1:34pm

I do think they're relevant.

shoganai

10/21/14 1:46pm

Then the reason we argue it is that it is often cited to support keeping him

10/21/14 1:51pm

But that's pretty much always been the case at BYU. Even in the "glory" years.

shoganai

10/21/14 2:00pm

Not by itself ...

10/21/14 2:15pm

Also, Lavell never really had the trend we are seeing now

10/21/14 2:17pm

All fair points.

shoganai

10/21/14 2:24pm

Thought that was his point. Anyway, everyone agrees this season is terrible.

10/21/14 2:39pm

I'm trying to show a trend in the data. I like that Bronco turned around the

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:21pm

I don't like the "Lavell always dominated Utah" argument

hansel

10/21/14 3:13pm

Lavell was 12-0 when Utah had a losing record. Bronco is 0-2.

SpiffCoug

10/21/14 6:30pm

Wrong...

byu_coug

10/21/14 3:19pm

Also...the 2 decades of "glory" years you referenced, Lavell had a 75% win clip

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 2:26pm

What's your timeline?

shoganai

10/21/14 2:31pm

I tried to follow your suggestions: After the Arizonas went to the Pac-10: 78-97

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:09pm

So what's your overall conclusion?

shoganai

10/21/14 3:15pm

Here's what I posted above...

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 3:33pm

I think some unique variables make the "trend" argument a little more murky.

shoganai

10/21/14 3:38pm

But ultimately...isn't that the thing that really matters?

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 4:10pm

That is why Bronco will never be fired.

shoganai

10/21/14 4:16pm

So then what you're telling me is that TH truly isn't concerned with winning

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 4:28pm

What "championships" are you talking about?

shoganai

10/21/14 4:34pm

Apparently...none...because BYU isn't concerned with anything like that.

ol' Blue Eyes

10/21/14 5:19pm

"Hiring of assistants with little or no experience"

byu_coug

10/21/14 4:09pm

Also -- sorry if this sounded snarky. Love 99% of your posts.

10/21/14 2:24pm

Ole Miss can recruit the south, we can't. Next question.

cougarick

10/21/14 12:19pm

What about coach Edwards wins against good teams, records, etc

Justinodhan

10/21/14 12:26pm

Who cares? Coach Edwards did enough to get us a NC. The job may possibly be

Walter Bellhaven

10/21/14 12:35pm

Bronco and Lavell

SpiffCoug

10/21/14 12:58pm

Take a look at everyone he's played

RunningQB

10/21/14 12:31pm

I would be ok with 7-6 or 8-5 or so IF the schedule was a P5 type schedule.

kotacoug

10/21/14 12:35pm

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