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Oct 21, 2014
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shoganai
That is why Bronco will never be fired.
For all his flaws, he wins way more than he loses.
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Everyone likes to quote BM 70% win percentage...but let's really look at it.
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 12:06pm
So take away his best seasons his win % goes down. Got it.
SCcoug
10/21/14 12:09pm
Or, you could look at the most recent seasons to gauge the current state of the
foofcoug
10/21/14 12:10pm
That shows BYU is about where they have been for the past 20 years.
SCcoug
10/21/14 12:37pm
Bronco cult stops at the %, the "haters" go deeper.
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 12:10pm
let's see who actually goes deeper...i'll go as deep as i can
Government Bailout
10/21/14 12:29pm
See my reply bellow.
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 12:34pm
Recruiting is how Ole Miss did it. Recruiting is how BYU needs to as well.
lawboy
10/21/14 12:10pm
Hugh Freeze is also a difference between then and now.
foofcoug
10/21/14 12:11pm
pfft...new coaches...o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d!
nashty
10/21/14 12:55pm
And recruiting is getting better I'd say as well.
BYUfan92
10/21/14 12:11pm
Recruiting has improved. Now Bronco needs to bat better
Y'zFan
10/21/14 12:17pm
my point has been that 8-5 is not worthy of a pink slip. should his contract
Government Bailout
10/21/14 12:15pm
Like I say:
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 12:21pm
my feeling is that you don't understand the dynamics of the coaching search post
Government Bailout
10/21/14 12:25pm
And honestly, deep down, I'm on the fence about letting him finish
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 12:33pm
understood. it is a critical time for the program.
Government Bailout
10/21/14 12:39pm
That is a good question. If the B12 invites 2 more after this year or next
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 1:19pm
with a REAL P5 schedule, his record would most likely be abysmal...
kotacoug
10/21/14 12:37pm
But that argument can only be taken so far. If we had a P5 schedule,
hansel
10/21/14 12:52pm
Bronco has a very respectable - if not solid - W/L record. Why argue that?
shoganai
10/21/14 12:15pm
If 60% win percentage against a mix of P5/G5 is considered respectable...fine.
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 12:54pm
Of course it is. Very few programs do that well over long time periods.
shoganai
10/21/14 12:58pm
I think the distinction above is valid...that if we had a P5 schedule then okay.
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 1:04pm
You should do more comparisons to other programs.
shoganai
10/21/14 1:07pm
Sometimes I think someone hi-jacks your account.
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 1:34pm
I do think they're relevant.
shoganai
10/21/14 1:46pm
Then the reason we argue it is that it is often cited to support keeping him
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 1:51pm
But that's pretty much always been the case at BYU. Even in the "glory" years.
shoganai
10/21/14 2:00pm
Not by itself ...
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 2:15pm
Also, Lavell never really had the trend we are seeing now
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 2:17pm
All fair points.
shoganai
10/21/14 2:24pm
Thought that was his point. Anyway, everyone agrees this season is terrible.
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 2:39pm
I'm trying to show a trend in the data. I like that Bronco turned around the
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 3:21pm
I don't like the "Lavell always dominated Utah" argument
hansel
10/21/14 3:13pm
Lavell was 12-0 when Utah had a losing record. Bronco is 0-2.
SpiffCoug
10/21/14 6:30pm
Wrong...
byu_coug
10/21/14 3:19pm
Also...the 2 decades of "glory" years you referenced, Lavell had a 75% win clip
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 2:26pm
What's your timeline?
shoganai
10/21/14 2:31pm
I tried to follow your suggestions: After the Arizonas went to the Pac-10: 78-97
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 3:09pm
So what's your overall conclusion?
shoganai
10/21/14 3:15pm
Here's what I posted above...
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 3:33pm
I think some unique variables make the "trend" argument a little more murky.
shoganai
10/21/14 3:38pm
But ultimately...isn't that the thing that really matters?
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 4:10pm
That is why Bronco will never be fired.
shoganai
10/21/14 4:16pm
So then what you're telling me is that TH truly isn't concerned with winning
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 4:28pm
What "championships" are you talking about?
shoganai
10/21/14 4:34pm
Apparently...none...because BYU isn't concerned with anything like that.
ol' Blue Eyes
10/21/14 5:19pm
"Hiring of assistants with little or no experience"
byu_coug
10/21/14 4:09pm
Also -- sorry if this sounded snarky. Love 99% of your posts.
VenetianCougar
10/21/14 2:24pm
Ole Miss can recruit the south, we can't. Next question.
cougarick
10/21/14 12:19pm
What about coach Edwards wins against good teams, records, etc
Justinodhan
10/21/14 12:26pm
Who cares? Coach Edwards did enough to get us a NC. The job may possibly be
Walter Bellhaven
10/21/14 12:35pm
Bronco and Lavell
SpiffCoug
10/21/14 12:58pm
Take a look at everyone he's played
RunningQB
10/21/14 12:31pm
I would be ok with 7-6 or 8-5 or so IF the schedule was a P5 type schedule.
kotacoug
10/21/14 12:35pm
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