I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the college

Sep 23, 2017
11:15:25am

HootnHoller Walk-on

football world. Not counting this year, I'd guess averall we are a top 30-40 program.

However, you completely lost me that playing crappy teams and competing for a crappy conference title is the way to go. No way. People want to use BSU as an example; BSU has national prominence in spite of their conference affiliation, not because of it.

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The great lie we tell ourselves.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:03am

Those are some weird views not shared by most BYU and non-BYU fans

DirtyWater

9/23/17 8:08am

But...shared by the board crazies... so there's that.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 8:12am

Especially interesting that a fan from Ohio....

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 8:12am

Logical. But wrong.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:20am

The point still holds

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 8:33am

RE: The point still holds

OandGCoug

9/23/17 9:11am

Not what I have seen...

Trent

9/23/17 10:58am

I know you're trying to use the fact that you had never heard of BYU to help

WhiteAndBlue

9/23/17 10:59am

Even if you have a point about inflated import, it's called being fans,

soupie

9/23/17 8:12am

We can get back to being a Top 25 program. We're probably Top 50 now

Ulysses14

9/23/17 8:17am

Byu can be a top 25 program using a G5 schedule.

cougfanz

9/23/17 8:26am

This is the correct answer ^

mm73

9/23/17 10:18am

BYU can get ranked in the top-25. It's not even close to the same thing

Dissenter

9/23/17 12:25pm

This is pretty much spot on.

cambo

9/23/17 8:17am

"never were?"

Downtown

9/23/17 8:23am

It's a bubble reality. BYU has been the biggest and best in Utah for a long time

DoseOfReality

9/23/17 9:30am

Posts like these are so refreshing.

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:14am

So why do people want to go back to crushing weak schools? Forward not back.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 5:28pm

Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out.

mm73

9/23/17 6:29pm

So you want a top 25 ranking, not a top 25 team. Got it....oh, and no thanks.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 7:11pm

What do you believe is a rational expectation?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 8:52pm

Oh, so you're going to hypothesize that we actually in a P5 conference now?

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 2:25am

BYU cannot become TCU year in and year out.

Cougstreak

9/26/17 11:25pm

"Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out."

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:26pm

We did against bad P5 teams.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 11:38pm

Oh. My. Hardly a P5 schedule?

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:49pm

Real P5 teams never play bad P5 teams. It's in their contract.

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 2:27am

Again, this was missing top of a P5 schedule.

Cougstreak

9/24/17 3:58pm

You're reaching man. That's a quality schedule and we had a solid year.

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 4:49pm

Didn't say it was not good for us but (again) top

Cougstreak

9/24/17 6:25pm

I guess you're making some point that isn't directly at odds with mine

MarylandFan

9/24/17 9:17pm

I meant our schedule has not had teams from the top of the P5 conferences and...

Cougstreak

9/25/17 1:15am

Ok. Nobody was making that claim, but great.

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 6:43am

Yes it was. It was stated we have had a P5 schedule. We don't have the top tier

Cougstreak

9/25/17 8:02am

would you accept "schedule full of P5 teams"? Not sure what your issue is.

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 8:35am

No issue. Simply stating that those who believe we have a P5 schedule....

Cougstreak

9/25/17 9:55am

Would you agree that we have a schedule with several P5 teams on it each year?

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 10:12am

Yes we play several P5 teams each year

Cougstreak

9/25/17 10:34am

I assume you mean that last year, while full of P5...

MarylandFan

9/25/17 11:11am

My point is I am not ready to pound my chest by beating bad P5 teams.

Cougstreak

9/25/17 11:40am

Some people seem to think these are P5 equivalent schedules, they are far short.

DoseOfReality

9/25/17 11:31am

I don't think anybody thinks that. Can you prove this? Post a link perhaps?

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 12:35pm

Read CB much? Read above.

Cougstreak

9/25/17 10:07pm

Will you please point out the post that says we have a P5 schedule. Don't see it

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:15am

Oh, wait I think I found the one you must be talking about, I guess

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:22am

One of several posted in the past. Having a P5 schedule infers...

Cougstreak

9/26/17 6:20pm

It's kind of sad when you can't interpret that people are happy to have 6 P5

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 10:55pm

Huh? Thin skinned?

Cougstreak

9/26/17 11:15pm

Did you enjoy your Ute’s win last night?

PortlandBlue

9/23/17 8:25am

I despise Utah football with the burning of 10,000 suns. But I’m also a

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:28am

"realist?" Just guessing how you were going to finish.

DirtyWater

9/23/17 8:31am

We aren't Alabama, but we're more respected than NCState or Vandy or Wazzu

SD-Y-FAN

9/23/17 8:26am

You view is not consistent with my experience outside this region.

BYUtka

9/23/17 8:29am

Besides Disneyland over UEA, you haven’t been outside the region

BlueFrog

9/23/17 8:58am

What about the western regional Boy Scout jamboree in Idaho falls?

Sandy Lyle

9/23/17 8:24pm

Then why did espn sign us to a TV deal?

BYURider

9/23/17 8:29am

Because there are Mormons around the globe that watch.

IronPotato

9/23/17 8:34am

Also because we attract more fans than G5 teams and willing to play at of times.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 9:37am

I couldn’t tell you who won the MWC, the AAC, MAC, Sun Belt etc last year

billyrust

9/23/17 8:31am

I can't tell you who won a P5 conference title for that matter. But I know who

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 8:33am

RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.

kotacoug

9/23/17 8:31am

*you tell yourself

Real Men Wear Blue

9/23/17 8:34am

Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.

IronPotato

9/23/17 8:34am

RE: Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.

phatcougar

9/23/17 8:41am

Lol!

IronPotato

9/23/17 11:49am

I think most BYU fans would agree with you. Hopefully powers to be will come

cowhide

9/23/17 8:43am

Neither was Clemson until recently and they had a title too.

Turnpike Lane

9/23/17 8:44am

SI once called us the most hated team in CFB. That takes some national cred.

Josef K

9/23/17 8:46am

Was that 25 or 30 years ago?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 10:49am

25 years ago, to answer my own question.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 11:12am

You're right, we don't have a national brand. It's worldwide.

Seasider

9/23/17 8:48am

Can we stop acting like ESPN wouldn't offer

Ozette

9/23/17 9:23am

Well said!

cowhide

9/23/17 9:26am

If we're so popular why, after seven years as an independent trying to get

cowhide

9/23/17 9:31am

Religion. That is the start and end of it. Anyone arguing anything different is

BYUtka

9/23/17 9:32am

So no one would take ND in a P5 conference?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 9:43am

Different religion

phatcougar

9/23/17 10:02am

OUR religion.

BlueNtheFace

9/23/17 10:12am

We are not the only religion targeted.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 10:48am

I wish the world was this black and white. However, it's far more complicated.

Ktar

9/23/17 9:54am

Is there such a thing as Worst Post of the Day? I'd like to nominate this one,

chilango

9/23/17 8:56am

It's a well thought out and realistic post from a fan who doesn't live inside

mm73

9/23/17 10:26am

ESPN/ABC sure love running a Utah 80s has been on TV!

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:39pm

Chilango: I have a love/hate relationship w your post. Love the worst post idea.

Blue streak

9/23/17 11:04am

Thank you Blue Streak. I was going to be a little more rude in my comments to

cowhide

9/23/17 11:21am

I nominate your response post. His wasn't that bad.

JmThms

9/23/17 11:51am

So many words to say so little.

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:45pm

Hey Chilango, I agree with you!

JmThms

9/23/17 11:28am

Amen.

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:29pm

We suck now, but you're 100% wrong about BYU's national name

TeeKaa

9/23/17 9:04am

RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.

jkccoug

9/23/17 9:04am

He's right about Ohio sentiment, I've seen their newspapers focus on local HS

Albuq_Coug

9/23/17 9:18am

I think OP proves the myopic nature of Ohio fans more than BYU's place in sports

BYUtka

9/23/17 9:38am

bad timing--we're not even competitive right now. Not very long ago we

Incentivize

9/23/17 9:28am

2009. So this is your first rodeo.

Big Daddy D

9/23/17 9:35am

Seriously, right?

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:51pm

Wow a rational BYU fan! 🏆🏆🏆🏆

blackshirts

9/23/17 9:42am

I'm so sad that our team didn't get 1 play across the goal line last year

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:54pm

I for one am glad BYU takes some risk and aims high for its football program

ThickBlueHaze

9/23/17 9:52am

Nailed, on the head!

Sooner Cougar

9/23/17 9:53am

I nominate this Post Of The Year.

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:11am

Says the poster who joined CB on Sep. 8 of 2017

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 10:21am

Who cares when I joined, you big dummy!

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:58am

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cowhide

9/23/17 11:36am

Sad, but true

Cougtruth

9/23/17 10:16am

I feel like you've all successfully dismantled a straw man centered around 1984

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:58pm

What is relevant regarding national profile

DJROSS

9/23/17 10:23am

RE: What is relevant regarding national profile

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:24am

Blah blah blah blah blah no relevance blah blah blah emotion blah blah blah

DJROSS

9/23/17 11:50am

Don't bother him with facts. Hyperbole is the currency of the day.

Real Men Wear Blue

9/23/17 12:34pm

The one statement from his post is this one...

cambo

9/23/17 12:59pm

You are using colloquialistic terms and creating an arbitrary line

DJROSS

9/23/17 1:52pm

Yes it's based on winning

cambo

9/23/17 4:47pm

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cambo

9/23/17 5:54pm

All programs gain a reputation over time. If we are good enough, we can too.

BYUniverse

9/23/17 10:29am

Terrible excuse for advocating return to MWC

JmThms

9/23/17 10:39am

Regardless of fanbase, facilities, etc, Boise St has been way more successful

Ktar

9/23/17 11:02am

Yes but mostly irrelevant. National profile/relevancy/value has much more to do

JmThms

9/23/17 11:24am

Florida State you mean? Pre Bobby Bowden..FSU was regional...Then they won..

CarolinaCoug

9/23/17 10:52am

I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the college

HootnHoller

9/23/17 11:15am

RE: I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:32am

...because we aren't currently good. We received votes pre-season.

BYUniverse

9/23/17 11:41am

Of course, if we deserve it

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:55am

First question, what conversation? Second question, can you link to examples of

WhiteAndBlue

9/23/17 12:24pm

Preseason rankings

Cougtruth

9/23/17 12:02pm

Yes. But what I'm pointing out is that some voters obviously thought

BYUniverse

9/26/17 9:20am

We have to win whether independent or in conference. I'm not excited by playing

HootnHoller

9/23/17 11:50am

BYU was a legitimate national power from 1979 to 1985.

eddog

9/23/17 1:08pm

And we were in a mid level, WAC, conference at the time too. I think it really

cowhide

9/23/17 1:12pm

Or independent..Miami built a rep in crappy big east

CarolinaCoug

9/23/17 1:33pm

Chicken or egg argument.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 1:37pm

Fair enough.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 1:17pm

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jkccoug

9/23/17 1:23pm

Posts like these are every bit as delusional as ones that say we're an elite program (although you see almost none of

CalGTR

9/23/17 2:32pm

I've come to grips with a certain % of our fans sucking.

Thrill

9/23/17 7:47pm

Take it up with the Board of Trustees, who do not share your views.

Sandstone Cougar

9/23/17 8:07pm

Sorry people POTY

Swishfromdeep3

9/24/17 10:09pm

This thread has clearly exposed a chasm in the fan base

MarylandFan

9/24/17 11:38pm

No, I was on the bandwagon the last three or four years to be in a conference.

cowhide

9/25/17 11:06am

hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as you

DJROSS

9/25/17 11:44am

RE: hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:33am

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