I nominate your response post. His wasn't that bad.

Sep 23, 2017
11:51:44am

JmThms Walk-on

Furthermore, the original post wasn't very valid. Actually, it was a terrible stab at advocating a return to the MWC or similar conference. Boise State belongs there. San Diego State belongs there. BYU does not. This not to say some BYU fans don't over value their program. But we belong much more with those in the PAC 12 and Big 12 than with SDSU and Boise, based on any objective assessment of the relevant metrics..

BTW, you don't need to counter nominate my post. I already know how you feel about it.

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The great lie we tell ourselves.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:03am

Those are some weird views not shared by most BYU and non-BYU fans

DirtyWater

9/23/17 8:08am

But...shared by the board crazies... so there's that.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 8:12am

Especially interesting that a fan from Ohio....

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 8:12am

Logical. But wrong.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:20am

The point still holds

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 8:33am

RE: The point still holds

OandGCoug

9/23/17 9:11am

Not what I have seen...

Trent

9/23/17 10:58am

I know you're trying to use the fact that you had never heard of BYU to help

WhiteAndBlue

9/23/17 10:59am

Even if you have a point about inflated import, it's called being fans,

soupie

9/23/17 8:12am

We can get back to being a Top 25 program. We're probably Top 50 now

Ulysses14

9/23/17 8:17am

Byu can be a top 25 program using a G5 schedule.

cougfanz

9/23/17 8:26am

This is the correct answer ^

mm73

9/23/17 10:18am

BYU can get ranked in the top-25. It's not even close to the same thing

Dissenter

9/23/17 12:25pm

This is pretty much spot on.

cambo

9/23/17 8:17am

"never were?"

Downtown

9/23/17 8:23am

It's a bubble reality. BYU has been the biggest and best in Utah for a long time

DoseOfReality

9/23/17 9:30am

Posts like these are so refreshing.

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:14am

So why do people want to go back to crushing weak schools? Forward not back.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 5:28pm

Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out.

mm73

9/23/17 6:29pm

So you want a top 25 ranking, not a top 25 team. Got it....oh, and no thanks.

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 7:11pm

What do you believe is a rational expectation?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 8:52pm

Oh, so you're going to hypothesize that we actually in a P5 conference now?

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 2:25am

BYU cannot become TCU year in and year out.

Cougstreak

9/26/17 11:25pm

"Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out."

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:26pm

We did against bad P5 teams.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 11:38pm

Oh. My. Hardly a P5 schedule?

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:49pm

Real P5 teams never play bad P5 teams. It's in their contract.

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 2:27am

Again, this was missing top of a P5 schedule.

Cougstreak

9/24/17 3:58pm

You're reaching man. That's a quality schedule and we had a solid year.

Cougarpolis

9/24/17 4:49pm

Didn't say it was not good for us but (again) top

Cougstreak

9/24/17 6:25pm

I guess you're making some point that isn't directly at odds with mine

MarylandFan

9/24/17 9:17pm

I meant our schedule has not had teams from the top of the P5 conferences and...

Cougstreak

9/25/17 1:15am

Ok. Nobody was making that claim, but great.

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 6:43am

Yes it was. It was stated we have had a P5 schedule. We don't have the top tier

Cougstreak

9/25/17 8:02am

would you accept "schedule full of P5 teams"? Not sure what your issue is.

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 8:35am

No issue. Simply stating that those who believe we have a P5 schedule....

Cougstreak

9/25/17 9:55am

Would you agree that we have a schedule with several P5 teams on it each year?

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 10:12am

Yes we play several P5 teams each year

Cougstreak

9/25/17 10:34am

I assume you mean that last year, while full of P5...

MarylandFan

9/25/17 11:11am

My point is I am not ready to pound my chest by beating bad P5 teams.

Cougstreak

9/25/17 11:40am

Some people seem to think these are P5 equivalent schedules, they are far short.

DoseOfReality

9/25/17 11:31am

I don't think anybody thinks that. Can you prove this? Post a link perhaps?

Cougarpolis

9/25/17 12:35pm

Read CB much? Read above.

Cougstreak

9/25/17 10:07pm

Will you please point out the post that says we have a P5 schedule. Don't see it

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:15am

Oh, wait I think I found the one you must be talking about, I guess

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:22am

One of several posted in the past. Having a P5 schedule infers...

Cougstreak

9/26/17 6:20pm

It's kind of sad when you can't interpret that people are happy to have 6 P5

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 10:55pm

Huh? Thin skinned?

Cougstreak

9/26/17 11:15pm

Did you enjoy your Ute’s win last night?

PortlandBlue

9/23/17 8:25am

I despise Utah football with the burning of 10,000 suns. But I’m also a

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 8:28am

"realist?" Just guessing how you were going to finish.

DirtyWater

9/23/17 8:31am

We aren't Alabama, but we're more respected than NCState or Vandy or Wazzu

SD-Y-FAN

9/23/17 8:26am

You view is not consistent with my experience outside this region.

BYUtka

9/23/17 8:29am

Besides Disneyland over UEA, you haven’t been outside the region

BlueFrog

9/23/17 8:58am

What about the western regional Boy Scout jamboree in Idaho falls?

Sandy Lyle

9/23/17 8:24pm

Then why did espn sign us to a TV deal?

BYURider

9/23/17 8:29am

Because there are Mormons around the globe that watch.

IronPotato

9/23/17 8:34am

Also because we attract more fans than G5 teams and willing to play at of times.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 9:37am

I couldn’t tell you who won the MWC, the AAC, MAC, Sun Belt etc last year

billyrust

9/23/17 8:31am

I can't tell you who won a P5 conference title for that matter. But I know who

Cougarpolis

9/23/17 8:33am

RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.

kotacoug

9/23/17 8:31am

*you tell yourself

Real Men Wear Blue

9/23/17 8:34am

Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.

IronPotato

9/23/17 8:34am

RE: Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.

phatcougar

9/23/17 8:41am

Lol!

IronPotato

9/23/17 11:49am

I think most BYU fans would agree with you. Hopefully powers to be will come

cowhide

9/23/17 8:43am

Neither was Clemson until recently and they had a title too.

Turnpike Lane

9/23/17 8:44am

SI once called us the most hated team in CFB. That takes some national cred.

Josef K

9/23/17 8:46am

Was that 25 or 30 years ago?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 10:49am

25 years ago, to answer my own question.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 11:12am

You're right, we don't have a national brand. It's worldwide.

Seasider

9/23/17 8:48am

Can we stop acting like ESPN wouldn't offer

Ozette

9/23/17 9:23am

Well said!

cowhide

9/23/17 9:26am

If we're so popular why, after seven years as an independent trying to get

cowhide

9/23/17 9:31am

Religion. That is the start and end of it. Anyone arguing anything different is

BYUtka

9/23/17 9:32am

So no one would take ND in a P5 conference?

Cougstreak

9/23/17 9:43am

Different religion

phatcougar

9/23/17 10:02am

OUR religion.

BlueNtheFace

9/23/17 10:12am

We are not the only religion targeted.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 10:48am

I wish the world was this black and white. However, it's far more complicated.

Ktar

9/23/17 9:54am

Is there such a thing as Worst Post of the Day? I'd like to nominate this one,

chilango

9/23/17 8:56am

It's a well thought out and realistic post from a fan who doesn't live inside

mm73

9/23/17 10:26am

ESPN/ABC sure love running a Utah 80s has been on TV!

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:39pm

Chilango: I have a love/hate relationship w your post. Love the worst post idea.

Blue streak

9/23/17 11:04am

Thank you Blue Streak. I was going to be a little more rude in my comments to

cowhide

9/23/17 11:21am

I nominate your response post. His wasn't that bad.

JmThms

9/23/17 11:51am

So many words to say so little.

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:45pm

Hey Chilango, I agree with you!

JmThms

9/23/17 11:28am

Amen.

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:29pm

We suck now, but you're 100% wrong about BYU's national name

TeeKaa

9/23/17 9:04am

RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.

jkccoug

9/23/17 9:04am

He's right about Ohio sentiment, I've seen their newspapers focus on local HS

Albuq_Coug

9/23/17 9:18am

I think OP proves the myopic nature of Ohio fans more than BYU's place in sports

BYUtka

9/23/17 9:38am

bad timing--we're not even competitive right now. Not very long ago we

Incentivize

9/23/17 9:28am

2009. So this is your first rodeo.

Big Daddy D

9/23/17 9:35am

Seriously, right?

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:51pm

Wow a rational BYU fan! 🏆🏆🏆🏆

blackshirts

9/23/17 9:42am

I'm so sad that our team didn't get 1 play across the goal line last year

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:54pm

I for one am glad BYU takes some risk and aims high for its football program

ThickBlueHaze

9/23/17 9:52am

Nailed, on the head!

Sooner Cougar

9/23/17 9:53am

I nominate this Post Of The Year.

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:11am

Says the poster who joined CB on Sep. 8 of 2017

Greg Kite's 'stache

9/23/17 10:21am

Who cares when I joined, you big dummy!

KeithSweat

9/23/17 10:58am

<< Deleted >>

cowhide

9/23/17 11:36am

Sad, but true

Cougtruth

9/23/17 10:16am

I feel like you've all successfully dismantled a straw man centered around 1984

MarylandFan

9/23/17 11:58pm

What is relevant regarding national profile

DJROSS

9/23/17 10:23am

RE: What is relevant regarding national profile

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:24am

Blah blah blah blah blah no relevance blah blah blah emotion blah blah blah

DJROSS

9/23/17 11:50am

Don't bother him with facts. Hyperbole is the currency of the day.

Real Men Wear Blue

9/23/17 12:34pm

The one statement from his post is this one...

cambo

9/23/17 12:59pm

You are using colloquialistic terms and creating an arbitrary line

DJROSS

9/23/17 1:52pm

Yes it's based on winning

cambo

9/23/17 4:47pm

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cambo

9/23/17 5:54pm

All programs gain a reputation over time. If we are good enough, we can too.

BYUniverse

9/23/17 10:29am

Terrible excuse for advocating return to MWC

JmThms

9/23/17 10:39am

Regardless of fanbase, facilities, etc, Boise St has been way more successful

Ktar

9/23/17 11:02am

Yes but mostly irrelevant. National profile/relevancy/value has much more to do

JmThms

9/23/17 11:24am

Florida State you mean? Pre Bobby Bowden..FSU was regional...Then they won..

CarolinaCoug

9/23/17 10:52am

I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the college

HootnHoller

9/23/17 11:15am

RE: I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:32am

...because we aren't currently good. We received votes pre-season.

BYUniverse

9/23/17 11:41am

Of course, if we deserve it

Cougtruth

9/23/17 11:55am

First question, what conversation? Second question, can you link to examples of

WhiteAndBlue

9/23/17 12:24pm

Preseason rankings

Cougtruth

9/23/17 12:02pm

Yes. But what I'm pointing out is that some voters obviously thought

BYUniverse

9/26/17 9:20am

We have to win whether independent or in conference. I'm not excited by playing

HootnHoller

9/23/17 11:50am

BYU was a legitimate national power from 1979 to 1985.

eddog

9/23/17 1:08pm

And we were in a mid level, WAC, conference at the time too. I think it really

cowhide

9/23/17 1:12pm

Or independent..Miami built a rep in crappy big east

CarolinaCoug

9/23/17 1:33pm

Chicken or egg argument.

Cougstreak

9/23/17 1:37pm

Fair enough.

OhioCougFan

9/23/17 1:17pm

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jkccoug

9/23/17 1:23pm

Posts like these are every bit as delusional as ones that say we're an elite program (although you see almost none of

CalGTR

9/23/17 2:32pm

I've come to grips with a certain % of our fans sucking.

Thrill

9/23/17 7:47pm

Take it up with the Board of Trustees, who do not share your views.

Sandstone Cougar

9/23/17 8:07pm

Sorry people POTY

Swishfromdeep3

9/24/17 10:09pm

This thread has clearly exposed a chasm in the fan base

MarylandFan

9/24/17 11:38pm

No, I was on the bandwagon the last three or four years to be in a conference.

cowhide

9/25/17 11:06am

hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as you

DJROSS

9/25/17 11:44am

RE: hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as

Cougarpolis

9/26/17 9:33am

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