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Feb 9, 2013
2:10:31pm

DazeofBlue

When one cannot win the argument, one has to change the argument

So I guess that means you lose the argument? K' bye.

BJ is a bad OC and Ute fans are the fans that cant wrap their head around that there is no way out of this mess. Kwitt wanted Anae.

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DazeofBlue

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The Utah-Anae story...

shoganai

2/9/13 9:32am

Thanks. Interesting information.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 9:40am

This also speaks volumes about what Anae thinks BYU can do. If he didn't believ

TXSmith

2/9/13 9:46am

I think most of it is loyalty to BYU.

idacoug

2/9/13 9:51am

If Anae has total control of his staff, does Cahoon have any chance at rehiring?

2/9/13 9:47am

I guess you'll find out in the next two weeks

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 10:11am

Did Ben cahoots even reapply?

mike2744

2/9/13 11:16am

I'm referring to his curiosity to know who Anae thinks are better coaches

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 12:00pm

What did Cahoon accomplish that was so impressive? I didn't see much to be imp-

coastcat

2/9/13 3:58pm

The entire offensive staff needed to go, no question.

kabslc

2/9/13 4:16pm

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kabslc

2/9/13 4:17pm

I must have missed where or when Doman proved he was a good coach

kabslc

2/9/13 10:13am

I didn't say he was good, but I'm curious to see who Anae thinks would be better

2/9/13 10:20am

Yes, good points. Anae's comments about running the QB does change

kabslc

2/9/13 10:26am

Nobody has ever even mentioned the thought of Jim McMahon as QB coach

pappabear246

2/9/13 1:31pm

Ha! I'd be all for it!

kabslc

2/9/13 2:43pm

Unfortunately for Jimmy Mac, he'd forget what to coach or that there is an HC.

coastcat

2/9/13 4:02pm

Which is why BYU needs to do the right, classy thing and retire his

kabslc

2/9/13 4:14pm

TH would do it if allowed. I agree, good will and ultimate recognition

coastcat

2/9/13 4:44pm

RE: Which is why BYU needs to do the right, classy thing and retire his

85fan

2/9/13 5:28pm

I think BYU has been giving JimmyMac more love the last couple of years

pappabear246

2/10/13 1:51pm

I hope so!

kabslc

2/11/13 8:51am

I hope so!

kabslc

2/11/13 8:52am

I said what I said in jest but do bet Jimmy would have made a great coach

pappabear246

2/11/13 12:16pm

A relative of Cahoon said there is a slim chance he could be rehired

HuskerCoug

2/9/13 4:47pm

Can you blame Whitt tho?

Ashtrash

2/9/13 9:47am

Whit hiring BJ as an OC was just plain stupid imo

idacoug

2/9/13 9:47am

I don't know why he's so intent on finding a mentor for BJ.

cougarstolz

2/9/13 10:20am

A couple thoughts

DapperDan

2/9/13 9:52am

The SHO Taurus is pretty nice, though.

Steve O'Rama

2/9/13 10:04am

coming to the train-wreck that is utah isn't going to help erickson's resume...

ds7

2/9/13 10:08am

desperation and ego can do funny things

DapperDan

2/9/13 10:10am

He is also 65 and may be looking to secure his 401k

PrisonMike

2/9/13 10:11am

great conclusions

Blue2thebone

2/9/13 10:06am

And yet we still keep losing to them

AudiS4

2/9/13 10:07am

there were a few years there where air force kept beating notre dame...

ds7

2/9/13 10:09am

Perhaps the anomaly was the Edwards era?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:40am

The anomaly is the fact Utah can only get up for one game a year.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:48am

Slow down there, fella.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:54am

Except for the fact that, outside of that game, BYU has continued to be a

2/9/13 12:38pm

Yeah, BYU has done a ton this past decade...

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 1:08pm

You have a short memory, we played the same teams until 2 years ago

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:15pm

Ummm...2 undefeated seasons in the past decade?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 1:18pm

I gave you credit for 2 good out of 30, and actually it was about Anae turning

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:40pm

Lol. Since LaVell retired, BYU has had 6 ranked finishes, which

2/9/13 1:41pm

He doesnt

CG4BYU

2/9/13 1:48pm

Oh man, you owned me! I'm raging with jealousy.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 3:00pm

If it is so easy, why didn't Utah accomplish it more often?

messi

2/9/13 3:44pm

First, we are talking about the last decade...

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:16pm

Right. And the last decade includes

2/9/13 5:23pm

Again, if you wanna cling to your 10 win seasons, go ahead.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:27pm

See we have a NC to hug and hold too. You have the PAC 10.2 banner

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:36pm

How do you hug your national championship?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:38pm

Simple, its a trophy in a case. I know its hard for yewt fans to invision one.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:47pm

So go and hug the case? Creepy.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:49pm

No creepier then your guys love for pac 10 stickers and pirate ships

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:52pm

No, hugging the case is creepier.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:53pm

Well i guess to little brother cuddling his PAC 10 blanky is kind of innocent

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:06pm

Cuddling a blanket is appropriate.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 6:10pm

Only those without one would say that ;)

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:32pm

Again, if you want to cling to a couple

2/9/13 5:40pm

I disagree. College football fans read the rankings every week.

messi

2/9/13 5:25pm

Nobody remembers if a team finishes 20th with a Veg Bowl win.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:28pm

As opposed to a non ranked, losing conference record, no body?

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:38pm

I never claimed that a losing season in the P12 meant anything.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:39pm

You said you have the comfort of a undefeated season, so what..Ohio did

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:44pm

I hope you enjoyed '84. It's probably the last you'll see of them

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:47pm

Still one more then you. So I will. Thanks

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:49pm

I was being serious. I hope you enjoyed it.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:52pm

Not what I said. They recognize teams that are consistently

messi

2/9/13 5:40pm

It says nothing.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:41pm

Actually it does say something, when recruits talk about 10 win seasons

CG4BYU

2/9/13 5:50pm

Link? Recruits want to go to the NFL, play in big bowl games, and play against

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 5:55pm

Funny, we go bowling, send players to NFL, and play big names

CG4BYU

2/9/13 6:11pm

To you it doesn't because it doesn't fit into your

messi

2/9/13 6:14pm

Are you hitting on me?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 6:47pm

With all the practice you have with spending

messi

2/9/13 6:53pm

You just seem really concerned with how much time I spend on here.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 7:18pm

Not concerned. I just don't understand it.

messi

2/9/13 7:39pm

So do you need me to point out to you the irony of your post?

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 7:55pm

You would have a point if I had that many posts

messi

2/9/13 8:24pm

Haha..."no friend" smack?

VirginiaUte

2/10/13 8:42am

I haven't read the last 20 posts messi, but

2/11/13 10:25pm

I know. I've learned my lesson with him, and

messi

2/11/13 10:29pm

You guys are still carrying on in this thread?

VirginiaUte

2/12/13 6:17am

Whitt is feeling the heat

Rise Against

2/9/13 10:07am

No he's not!

Crazy Cajun

2/9/13 10:22am

Ah, the old "injuries" excuse

Rise Against

2/9/13 10:30am

Very Crowton-esque. I love it.

BluePete

2/11/13 8:53am

Wow..what a complete 5 year old reaponse.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:36am

3 or 4 years?

TLCougar

2/9/13 10:37am

Depends on what your definition of "south" is.

VirginiaUte

2/9/13 10:48am

I would assume that

TLCougar

2/9/13 11:37am

8-4 or 7-5 is a real possibility? Wow.

AFwingnut

2/9/13 2:42pm

What's with the whole BJ thing?

SausageKingOfChicago

2/9/13 10:10am

One point of disagreement not related to the main point

donnerstag

2/9/13 10:11am

man, Whitt is really enamored with BJ. Bringing in mentors and such.

Crush4

2/9/13 10:13am

That is what Chow was for too

PrisonMike

2/9/13 10:16am

BJ is a recruiting tool for Whitt, he'll keep him around as long as possible.

kabslc

2/9/13 10:55am

Utezone editor - an EXCELLENT SOURCE says otherwise

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:15am

Yeah, cause everybody wants to admit that a guy turned them down for their

ForzaCougs

2/9/13 10:21am

That is not it. You don't get things right over and over by covering things

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:30am

I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about the people who got turned down.

ForzaCougs

2/9/13 10:48am

Exactly.

BYUheaven

2/9/13 11:24am

Correct, the ones

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:35pm

Or are people in the Utah program simply more careful about the information

kabslc

2/9/13 10:22am

Someone who works for something called "utezone" is of course going

kabslc

2/9/13 10:29am

Wrong. See my post 3 spots up. Does anyone think Harmon tells both

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:31am

Ah....very good post. I certainly don't think Harmon sees it both ways.

kabslc

2/9/13 10:36am

Your above posts mean nothing

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:37pm

Bronco Mendenhall - an EXCELLENT source - agrees with me.

shoganai

2/9/13 10:30am

Bronco personally told you that Whit was going to throw BJ under the bus?

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:37am

You have the guy offered, his HC, and now this info and you still cant see

CG4BYU

2/9/13 10:43am

Some people on this board have contact with Anae

2/9/13 10:59am

Plausible deniability

kccougar

2/9/13 11:04am

I know EXACTLY who his sources are

RockyBalboa

2/9/13 1:14pm

The one thing that can't be refuted......BJ is not ready as an OC

Bonoman

2/9/13 3:59pm

Thanks Shog. It's always interesting to read your stuff.

P-Widdy

2/9/13 10:19am

Maybe Kwitt should hire Doman?

cougarbouy

2/9/13 10:20am

As a recruiter...that would be awesome. Doman is excellent at

ALUF 1990

2/9/13 10:34am

That is if Scalley wouldn't refer to Doman as a ##### that he's hated since he

kabslc

2/9/13 10:40am

Not if they know much about Scalley

LDTemplar

2/9/13 3:31pm

Funny to hear that he had like 6 offers when people were often saying

binghammer

2/9/13 10:33am

I'm counting one OC offer other than BYU. The rest were non-OC offers

DapperDan

2/9/13 10:36am

He didn't have other offers period

donnerstag

2/9/13 11:00am

It looks like these sources are probably the same as your BYU to the B12 sources

Scratch

2/9/13 10:51am

See Anae and Bronco's interview that backs it up.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 11:13am

Your last sentence is the most important. He wants some qualified w/o an ego

BDAWG

2/9/13 11:01am

I'm amused that the Cougar Nation is taking such satisfaction in unfounded...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:08am

And you still little brother for commenting.

CG4BYU

2/9/13 11:15am

Sentence structure. I had to read your post

messi

2/9/13 11:19am

Nice... When losing the point messi changes the subject to sentence structure.

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:22am

Losing what point? I posted because I was

messi

2/9/13 11:41am

So you see no disconnect when Cougar Nation gleefully celebrates...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:54am

There probably is a disconnect. That happened almost

messi

2/9/13 12:04pm

The BYU administration liked Whit... in fact they liked him better than Bronco.

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:08pm

A decade ago they did. They wouldn't take

messi

2/9/13 12:16pm

So in his supreme self assurance Bronco has to bolster himself with...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:30pm

He was just giving it back for the Roderick

messi

2/9/13 12:57pm

Oh, so now Bronco isn't capable of making his own hires so Tom H. steps in?

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:32pm

Sorry... wrong tread.

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:34pm

And speaking of unqualified and over his head... BYU has hired a RB coach...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:13am

We should have hired an ambulance chasing attorney

PrisonMike

2/9/13 11:15am

Just pointing out that "unqualified and over his head" cuts both ways...

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:19am

Atuaia helped Anae during his last stint at BYU. And another point, guys who

kabslc

2/9/13 11:27am

Having 2 first year coaches on the same offensive staff with no D1 exeriencece..

HSprauge

2/9/13 11:48am

I'll go out on a limb and say that Robert Anae knows how to choose qualified

kabslc

2/9/13 11:54am

That remains to be seen... what we do know is that Bronco has a poor record...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:03pm

Indeed, which is why I think they'll do better this time around.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:05pm

Bronco hired Anae... Did his hiring judgement improve from when he promoted...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:24pm

Maybe, maybe not. That's why Tom Holmoe stepped in.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:26pm

Oh, so now Bronco isn't capable of making his own hires so Tom H. steps in?

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:35pm

Yes, I do believe that is how things unfolded.

kabslc

2/9/13 12:41pm

Seems to be a hallmark of disfunction when the head of a program...

HSprauge

2/9/13 12:52pm

I think Holmoe actually helped stop the dysfunction. The greater

kabslc

2/9/13 12:59pm

Right... new offensive scheme, inexprienced

HSprauge

2/9/13 1:19pm

(cont.) QB coming off knee surgery, 2-4 offensive coaches who have never...

HSprauge

2/9/13 1:23pm

I think you're wrong. There is more than one QB on the roster,

kabslc

2/9/13 2:34pm

BYUs best option at QB is an injured sophomore with 2 starts under his belt...

HSprauge

2/9/13 6:56pm

I'll take this option at QB over Jordan Wynn's little sister.

Jonce17

2/10/13 9:42pm

Interesting situation...

bigjohn

2/9/13 1:37pm

Without a resume of D1 experience 2J and Atuia are risky hires at best.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:04pm

When one cannot win the argument, one has to change the argument

DazeofBlue

2/9/13 2:10pm

Not changing the arguement at all. Shoganai brought up the inexperienced...

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:00pm

Agree about Atuaia, but 2J inexperienced?? Come on. I think moving from head

doups3

2/9/13 2:47pm

Is college of the canyons FCS?

kabslc

2/9/13 3:07pm

I assumed so, but maybe it's a step further down. Either way, dude has

doups3

2/9/13 3:22pm

I think it is another step down. I think he is an awesome hire for BYU.

kabslc

2/9/13 3:36pm

D1 and BCS is a long way from college of the canyons competition.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:01pm

Weird how inexperience doesnt matter in this sport

Y4LYFE

2/9/13 2:39pm

Experience does matter... there are just no other options for BYU.

HSprauge

2/9/13 7:06pm

Why is BYU so obsessed with proving they beat Utah at something.

jt04

2/9/13 3:57pm

It's called a rivalry lol. And the "obsession" really started at

kabslc

2/9/13 4:12pm

So, when Utah started winning again.

jt04

2/9/13 4:13pm

Yep. He made beating BYU priority #1. It worked.

kabslc

2/9/13 4:19pm

Calling him "Doctor" is lame. Ute fans do that with their AD. It's lame.

haroldskilley

2/9/13 4:28pm

I agree. When someone works outside the field of their doctoral study,it is

kabslc

2/9/13 4:38pm

IIRC, Anae's doctoral dissertation was on wide-gap OL formations.

BluePete

2/9/13 8:04pm

Well excuse me. I did not know that sociologists studied offensive line

kabslc

2/11/13 8:54am

RE: The Utah-Anae story...

dunc4BYU

2/9/13 5:12pm

Thanks Shoganai- I always

2/9/13 9:39pm

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