Yeah, but the big shebang, the "national championship" brand, and access to it,

Sep 18, 2014
12:21:29pm

'dweller

transcends the right of the conferences' individual discretion to include and exclude whomever they wish, or to collude with one another in providing potentially easier access to certain teams over others, it seems to me.

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Question: Could BYU sue the P5 conferences for not letting them in? Obviously,

jholling

9/18/14 11:57am

What about all the G5 teams as well, do they have a case against the P5?

Heinz57

9/18/14 11:58am

Is there another G5 school with comparable following?

jholling

9/18/14 12:29pm

UCF..

Heinz57

9/18/14 12:31pm

Uconn has a big basketball following.

Daedalus17

9/18/14 8:07pm

Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?

Thrill

9/18/14 11:58am

Sometimes lawyers get way to hung up on details. Try to Focus on the big picture

jholling

9/18/14 12:25pm

Not "hung up" on one word, just answering the question you asked.

Thrill

9/18/14 12:52pm

Anti trust laws

docrick

9/18/14 12:30pm

^^^^ DING DING DING ^^^^

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:42pm

With all due respect, I don't think that's the situation at all.

OstHoo

9/19/14 11:01am

Then we agree to disagree

docrick

9/19/14 11:16am

I don't know. I was thinking one of you creative lawyers would think of one.

jholling

9/18/14 1:51pm

RE: Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?

mjohns8700

9/18/14 3:27pm

To answer your last question, yes

jbcoug

9/18/14 11:58am

Stuck in the fine print a bit?

jholling

9/18/14 12:28pm

You want to force a conference to take us in? In the free-market loving USA?

Everymancoug

9/18/14 12:04pm

I would go after bowl agreements and NY6 access if I was constructing the case.

Bluedomination

9/18/14 12:07pm

If the cartel ever decided to play only itself

Braves Fan

9/18/14 12:20pm

Yes but to potentially exclude a team like BYU from a playoff after being

'dweller

9/18/14 12:09pm

Anti-trust laws would require that the exclusion be based on a legal reason..

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 12:13pm

Were you really excluded from a conference? Didn't you guys bolt from the MWC..

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:22pm

Yes and No. We chose to bolt from the MWC of our own free will

'dweller

9/18/14 12:26pm

My response is more applicable if the p5 break away and form their own league

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 12:54pm

Free markets are still subject to antitrust legal agendas

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:45pm

They could say that BYU could join the MWC for access, but we could point to NDs

Bluedomination

9/18/14 12:06pm

ND negotiated that contract with the Orange Bowl, so the counter would be

Everymancoug

9/18/14 12:13pm

Yeah, but the big shebang, the "national championship" brand, and access to it,

'dweller

9/18/14 12:21pm

Win out, and you'll be in the Top 4, period.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:25pm

I would like to believe that, but I don't. In any case, it's way to early to be

'dweller

9/18/14 12:33pm

Agree with most of that. I think we'll give you a game this weekend.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:35pm

Worst of luck to ya in that regard

'dweller

9/18/14 12:37pm

Likewise!

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:44pm

I thought a big reason for the snub was the prohibition on Sunday games.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:19pm

But that is "religious intolerance."

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:25pm

Rejection of special priviledge does not equal "religious intolerance."

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:30pm

In this case, that is exactly what it is.

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:59pm

In other words, you are asking for special priviledge. No conference wants...

OstHoo

9/18/14 1:23pm

Based on historical context we do have the right to request special circumstance

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:48pm

Nice assertion - based on what? You may have a right to request, but no one...

OstHoo

9/19/14 11:02am

There is the concept of "unfair exclusion." Lawsuits are won on it often.

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:23pm

Who would you sue for unfair exclusion?

Daedalus17

9/18/14 8:42pm

Thanks for the responses. Interesting discussion.

jholling

9/18/14 12:27pm

BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5 - where is

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 12:44pm

I don't think that's true.

'dweller

9/18/14 12:46pm

US News is the most used ranking, and ranks BYU higher than others.

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:10pm

You said "sports overall," and then you omitted sports in general. What gives?

'dweller

9/18/14 1:14pm

3 conferences where BYU is below average, 1 where BYU is average, 1 where BYU is

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:34pm

Name the three conferences where BYU is below average. You only named two:

'dweller

9/18/14 1:42pm

...(crickets)

'dweller

9/18/14 2:48pm

That is simply bunk, all of it

docrick

9/18/14 12:56pm

I don't think you know what that word means. (elite)

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:11pm

Really? That's all you got? You need a dose of something because

docrick

9/18/14 1:14pm

It's a generally accepted truth that anyone who has a moniker such as

'dweller

9/18/14 1:17pm

I think I am being fair, being unrealistic doesn't help anything.

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:27pm

You're factually wrong.

'dweller

9/18/14 1:32pm

While any ranking system is going to be somewhat arbitrary, Capital One Cup

'dweller

9/18/14 2:15pm

WCC

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 2:28pm

yewt

'dweller

9/18/14 2:41pm

Are you serious?? BYU more than competes in virtually every measure...

bluefish

9/18/14 6:44pm

I think it's important to realize that now that missionaries will go straight to

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 8:18pm

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 12:37pm

That is quite the informative feedback

jholling

9/18/14 2:03pm

Wrong analysis. No employment or protected class issue here. May be anti-trust.

boscatar

9/18/14 12:38pm

Cartel

FMCougar

9/18/14 1:31pm

I have said for a long time that I think they can

Y05

9/18/14 2:42pm

Quick answer is no...see inside for reasons

jsjohnson1278

9/18/14 3:34pm

How does bowls independence of NCAA affect anything?

Braves Fan

9/18/14 4:10pm

Because they can choose who they want to participate

jsjohnson1278

9/19/14 1:13am

An individual bowl, like an individual conference, has freedom of association

Braves Fan

9/19/14 9:06am

"No Homers allowed!"

digitalayon

9/18/14 4:13pm

Sure, if they want to be a laughing stock

cougarnerd

9/18/14 4:49pm

I think they may be able to make an argument in a year or two....

rckrunner

9/18/14 5:20pm

Definitely yes on antitrust law. Religious discrimination, probably no proof...

bluefish

9/18/14 6:46pm

that would be kind of embarrassing

icecougar

9/18/14 7:35pm

Theres probably an antitrust argument that could work, but arguing

SaltLakeCoug

9/18/14 10:02pm

BYU has nobody to blame for not being in a P5

MatthiasG

9/18/14 10:03pm

We'd be so hated if it worked out that way it wouldn't be worth it.

Harrison0Yfan

9/18/14 10:13pm

There is a possibility you're missing something.

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