BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5

Sep 18, 2014
12:44:20pm

DoseOfReality

BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5 - where is

the discrimination?

I know BYU is better academically than Utah and the other Utah schools - but we forget that nationally BYU is not elite.

The BIG12-ish has the weakest academics among P5's.

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Question: Could BYU sue the P5 conferences for not letting them in? Obviously,

jholling

9/18/14 11:57am

What about all the G5 teams as well, do they have a case against the P5?

Heinz57

9/18/14 11:58am

Is there another G5 school with comparable following?

jholling

9/18/14 12:29pm

UCF..

Heinz57

9/18/14 12:31pm

Uconn has a big basketball following.

Daedalus17

9/18/14 8:07pm

Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?

Thrill

9/18/14 11:58am

Sometimes lawyers get way to hung up on details. Try to Focus on the big picture

jholling

9/18/14 12:25pm

Not "hung up" on one word, just answering the question you asked.

Thrill

9/18/14 12:52pm

Anti trust laws

docrick

9/18/14 12:30pm

^^^^ DING DING DING ^^^^

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:42pm

With all due respect, I don't think that's the situation at all.

OstHoo

9/19/14 11:01am

Then we agree to disagree

docrick

9/19/14 11:16am

I don't know. I was thinking one of you creative lawyers would think of one.

jholling

9/18/14 1:51pm

RE: Missing? A violation of law. What is the charge?

mjohns8700

9/18/14 3:27pm

To answer your last question, yes

jbcoug

9/18/14 11:58am

Stuck in the fine print a bit?

jholling

9/18/14 12:28pm

You want to force a conference to take us in? In the free-market loving USA?

Everymancoug

9/18/14 12:04pm

I would go after bowl agreements and NY6 access if I was constructing the case.

Bluedomination

9/18/14 12:07pm

If the cartel ever decided to play only itself

Braves Fan

9/18/14 12:20pm

Yes but to potentially exclude a team like BYU from a playoff after being

'dweller

9/18/14 12:09pm

Anti-trust laws would require that the exclusion be based on a legal reason..

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 12:13pm

Were you really excluded from a conference? Didn't you guys bolt from the MWC..

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:22pm

Yes and No. We chose to bolt from the MWC of our own free will

'dweller

9/18/14 12:26pm

My response is more applicable if the p5 break away and form their own league

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 12:54pm

Free markets are still subject to antitrust legal agendas

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:45pm

They could say that BYU could join the MWC for access, but we could point to NDs

Bluedomination

9/18/14 12:06pm

ND negotiated that contract with the Orange Bowl, so the counter would be

Everymancoug

9/18/14 12:13pm

Yeah, but the big shebang, the "national championship" brand, and access to it,

'dweller

9/18/14 12:21pm

Win out, and you'll be in the Top 4, period.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:25pm

I would like to believe that, but I don't. In any case, it's way to early to be

'dweller

9/18/14 12:33pm

Agree with most of that. I think we'll give you a game this weekend.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:35pm

Worst of luck to ya in that regard

'dweller

9/18/14 12:37pm

Likewise!

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:44pm

I thought a big reason for the snub was the prohibition on Sunday games.

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:19pm

But that is "religious intolerance."

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:25pm

Rejection of special priviledge does not equal "religious intolerance."

OstHoo

9/18/14 12:30pm

In this case, that is exactly what it is.

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:59pm

In other words, you are asking for special priviledge. No conference wants...

OstHoo

9/18/14 1:23pm

Based on historical context we do have the right to request special circumstance

nslscougar

9/18/14 9:48pm

Nice assertion - based on what? You may have a right to request, but no one...

OstHoo

9/19/14 11:02am

There is the concept of "unfair exclusion." Lawsuits are won on it often.

OptimisTIC

9/18/14 12:23pm

Who would you sue for unfair exclusion?

Daedalus17

9/18/14 8:42pm

Thanks for the responses. Interesting discussion.

jholling

9/18/14 12:27pm

BYU would be below average in sports overall and academics in any P5 - where is

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 12:44pm

I don't think that's true.

'dweller

9/18/14 12:46pm

US News is the most used ranking, and ranks BYU higher than others.

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:10pm

You said "sports overall," and then you omitted sports in general. What gives?

'dweller

9/18/14 1:14pm

3 conferences where BYU is below average, 1 where BYU is average, 1 where BYU is

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:34pm

Name the three conferences where BYU is below average. You only named two:

'dweller

9/18/14 1:42pm

...(crickets)

'dweller

9/18/14 2:48pm

That is simply bunk, all of it

docrick

9/18/14 12:56pm

I don't think you know what that word means. (elite)

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:11pm

Really? That's all you got? You need a dose of something because

docrick

9/18/14 1:14pm

It's a generally accepted truth that anyone who has a moniker such as

'dweller

9/18/14 1:17pm

I think I am being fair, being unrealistic doesn't help anything.

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 1:27pm

You're factually wrong.

'dweller

9/18/14 1:32pm

While any ranking system is going to be somewhat arbitrary, Capital One Cup

'dweller

9/18/14 2:15pm

WCC

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 2:28pm

yewt

'dweller

9/18/14 2:41pm

Are you serious?? BYU more than competes in virtually every measure...

bluefish

9/18/14 6:44pm

I think it's important to realize that now that missionaries will go straight to

HarlemCoug

9/18/14 8:18pm

DoseOfReality

9/18/14 12:37pm

That is quite the informative feedback

jholling

9/18/14 2:03pm

Wrong analysis. No employment or protected class issue here. May be anti-trust.

boscatar

9/18/14 12:38pm

Cartel

FMCougar

9/18/14 1:31pm

I have said for a long time that I think they can

Y05

9/18/14 2:42pm

Quick answer is no...see inside for reasons

jsjohnson1278

9/18/14 3:34pm

How does bowls independence of NCAA affect anything?

Braves Fan

9/18/14 4:10pm

Because they can choose who they want to participate

jsjohnson1278

9/19/14 1:13am

An individual bowl, like an individual conference, has freedom of association

Braves Fan

9/19/14 9:06am

"No Homers allowed!"

digitalayon

9/18/14 4:13pm

Sure, if they want to be a laughing stock

cougarnerd

9/18/14 4:49pm

I think they may be able to make an argument in a year or two....

rckrunner

9/18/14 5:20pm

Definitely yes on antitrust law. Religious discrimination, probably no proof...

bluefish

9/18/14 6:46pm

that would be kind of embarrassing

icecougar

9/18/14 7:35pm

Theres probably an antitrust argument that could work, but arguing

SaltLakeCoug

9/18/14 10:02pm

BYU has nobody to blame for not being in a P5

MatthiasG

9/18/14 10:03pm

We'd be so hated if it worked out that way it wouldn't be worth it.

Harrison0Yfan

9/18/14 10:13pm

There is a possibility you're missing something.

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