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Oct 19, 2014
11:25:30pm

pittsburghcoug

Bronco's defense was #3 because he had two stellar players.

I do give him credit for recruiting Kyle Van Noy. Ziggy fell into his lap. Many defenses would have looked pretty good with those two players. But stars do matter, and many teams develop players better than BYU does. #83 in college programs with players in the NFL.

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The reason for BYU's failure is very simple: The players aren't very good

jhingman

10/19/14 11:06pm

this is true but I still believe there are more problems than just talent alone

10/19/14 11:07pm

Well said.

Alcova

10/19/14 11:07pm

This argument is also baloney.

10/19/14 11:09pm

Thanks, somebody had to do it

10/19/14 11:12pm

Our players aren't good?

RunningQB

10/19/14 11:13pm

Agreed, but that's more the recruiting side of things

jhingman

10/19/14 11:22pm

The Nevada and Utah State defensive lines are better than BYU's. Yes.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:15pm

Then that's also a coaching problem, b/c that should never be the case.

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:16pm

Rowley - 4 star recruit. Bronson should be on the line.

10/19/14 11:17pm

Rowley was recruited to play O line and it shows.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:17pm

he was recruited and listed at both. DL for BYU.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:27pm

Bronson seems injured or something, because he's even slower than Rowley

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:18pm

Maybe so, but it's not due to lack of talent. That's the hole in your analysis.

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:17am

Exactly. Not only that, but if our players were no better or worse than

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:15pm

I said clearly in my post that the coaches are to blame for recruiting

jhingman

10/19/14 11:25pm

You're right, you did. My bad.

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:30pm

How do you explain Ziggy?

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:16pm

Ziggy is a freak of nature, and he only made it on the field

10/19/14 11:20pm

If you're questioning Bronco's personnel decision, I agree with you.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:22pm

This tells us all we need to know about the BYU football culture

LV Mike

10/19/14 11:23pm

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while...

Taullis

10/19/14 11:21pm

lol everything he needed to know?

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:32pm

Your constant Ziggy reference shows you haven't been around sports much.

MtnMan

10/19/14 11:54pm

Is doesn't matter how talented you are.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/20/14 12:01am

Ziggy was and is a freak. You still don't get it. Athletes like Ziggy are rare

MtnMan

10/20/14 12:16am

Bronco didn't recruit Ziggy.

10/19/14 11:57pm

That's the worst example you could use to support your argument.

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:19am

How do you explain how a team has Ziggy and KVN but still puts up mediocre

mr_thekid

10/21/14 6:41pm

You think stars and recruiting rankings really matter in this case?

jhingman

10/19/14 11:21pm

Bronco's defense was #3 because he had two stellar players.

10/19/14 11:25pm

You're making my point for me, but you may not know it

jhingman

10/19/14 11:33pm

Not true.

10/19/14 11:41pm

I see your argument, but I don't think there's enough evidence to support it

jhingman

10/19/14 11:58pm

Yeah I mean they have had 2 players drafted in the last 4 drafts. Nobody

concolor couguar

10/20/14 7:15am

I call baloney. Who were the 5 4 star defensive players.

Alcova

10/19/14 11:33pm

He's probably including guys like Langi and Harvey Jackson.

Josef K

10/19/14 11:42pm

RE: He's probably including guys like Langi and Harvey Jackson.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:48pm

We are small and slow in the secondary.

Josef K

10/19/14 11:55pm

RE: We are small and slow in the secondary.

southernfriedcougar

10/20/14 12:17am

RE: I call baloney. Who were the 5 4 star defensive players.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:42pm

Actually six, but who's counting. Could be eight if Bills and Fu'a were healthy

10/19/14 11:47pm

Yep! This is the problem. Our coaches stink at coaching up/developing players.

kansascougar

10/20/14 7:30am

The only problem with this argument is that our "not very good" players got us

10/19/14 11:12pm

I was focusing primarily on the defensive talent in this post

jhingman

10/19/14 11:35pm

I think we have an FCS d line.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:13pm

LOL opposing teams have a 2.85 YPC rushing average. I'd hate to see D1

Blugar

10/19/14 11:29pm

But no pass rush

10/19/14 11:31pm

That's understandable considering how poor the teams we have played are at

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:31pm

Look, if you just play good run defense the entire time without EVER worrying

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:32pm

I seem to recall a lot of our pass rushers and cover guys going down.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:34pm

Coaches can make calls that don't expose player weaknesses

2FarGone

10/19/14 11:14pm

Spot on

kotacoug

10/19/14 11:25pm

But the system is perfect. No need to change a perfect system.

10/19/14 11:31pm

This is a nice thought, but the reality is different

jhingman

10/19/14 11:50pm

Everything is predictable and telegraphed

kotacoug

10/20/14 12:08am

Fajardo knew where the blitz was coming from on every play

BYU '80

10/20/14 4:58am

This is said every time BYU loses, but there is little proof.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:15pm

Bogus. They aren't NFL guys, but they are better than the crap USU and Reno

10/19/14 11:17pm

They may be bigger, but they sure as heck aren't faster.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:19pm

Is our lack of speed why our 5th string RB averaged 12 yards/carry?

Blugar

10/19/14 11:22pm

I'm talking about D line. I think we have excellent talent at RB,

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:24pm

3-4 is supposed to have "heavy" DL. LBs should have the speed.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:25pm

We have the worst linebacking group since before Lavell.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:26pm

Totally agree with you on stout and Pikula painfully slow

kotacoug

10/20/14 12:10am

or you can not be so lopsided and blame both.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:21pm

If the last 3 losses were to Alabama, Oregon, and Florida State, then you'd have

AndyDwyer

10/19/14 11:22pm

This is a ridiculous argument... Pittsburgcoug nailed it

kotacoug

10/19/14 11:24pm

RE: The reason for BYU's failure is very simple: The players aren't very good

fan32

10/19/14 11:24pm

Wow. Bronco Clevlandhall must be the most unlucky guy on the planet...

swingcat

10/19/14 11:34pm

You do realize I said the blame for recruiting is squarely on the coaches?

jhingman

10/19/14 11:40pm

Look, pal. There's a lot of negative responses to the OP because it was a

swingcat

10/19/14 11:48pm

I'd love for you to show a logical response as to how it was a poor point

jhingman

10/20/14 12:03am

OK. I'll give it a try...

swingcat

10/20/14 1:48am

Hey, that was better than I expected

jhingman

10/20/14 9:20am

It comes off as a defense of the coaches pretending to be a slight criticism

CougarEatU

10/20/14 1:58am

(fart sound)

FILIKU

10/20/14 4:38am

Flip your logic around: the measure of a good coach is best made when he/they

unctoothman

10/20/14 6:24am

Put Bronco in charge of D and watch, automatic improvement guaranteed

jonnnylingo

10/20/14 9:15am

In reality, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The players we now have

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:31am

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mr_thekid

10/21/14 6:45pm

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