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Dec 17, 2014
12:04:19pm

fanbraves10

You didn't really answer the question, but I think you were leaning towards

"no, he wouldn't have done as well."

I agree that Doman made Staley better and they were a perfect fit for each other, but you can't say that without admitting that Unga got the benefit of playing with Hall-Collie-Pitta. That's three guys at other key offensive positions to take some of the focus off Unga.

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Top 10 Rbs at BYU in the modern era (Lavell forward)

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:24am

Harvey is #1.

Blueto

12/17/14 11:26am

Luuuuuuuuuuke was the best, period

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:27am

Luke was a sprinter who benefited from a QB who could r the option to perfection

Blueto

12/17/14 11:31am

If you put Luke on those Hall-Pitta-Collie teams we would have been BCS busters.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:33am

I don't agree.

Blue Cat

12/17/14 11:39am

Disagree... just watch a game from 2001

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:46am

I've seen them all and it doesn't change my opinion. If I'm starting a team

Blueto

12/17/14 11:57am

then why does Harvey have 1,000 more career yards than Luke? Doman/Crowton made

palangi

12/17/14 12:09pm

And Unga played with Hall-Collie-Pitta. Do you think Doman/Crowton could have

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:14pm

Harvey would have been great in either situation. He was very versatile

palangi

12/17/14 2:14pm

I agree. Harvey would have been all-conference great in either situation.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 3:35pm

you forgot to add option back after aa great. Luke wasn't even a all conf rb b4

palangi

12/17/14 3:49pm

Someone get the Doak Walker Award Committe on the line!!!

fanbraves10

12/17/14 4:11pm

you realize the Doak is a yearly award right? Are you arguing who is the best

palangi

12/17/14 4:23pm

What's the question? If it's career then it's Harvey

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 4:38pm

Oh I thought you said Luke was an AA option back, not a running back.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 4:48pm

2001 he was a rb who ran the option, so I called it option back.As a traditional

palangi

12/17/14 5:35pm

do you remember 1999 and 2000? you're talking apples and oranges here.

macaroni

12/17/14 10:01pm

nah, you obviously don't get it

palangi

12/17/14 10:07pm

excellent response. lol. it's usually better to make an argument with, you know,

macaroni

12/17/14 10:15pm

ok here we go. hardly ever 1000 yard rushers b4 Stayley, except for of course

palangi

12/18/14 12:10am

you didn't really help your case, honestly. if you look only at numbers, then

macaroni

12/18/14 6:31am

No doubt Harvey's awesome, but he's not in the nfl either ...

ZooBlue

12/17/14 10:06pm

oh, ok. and harvey didn't benefit from hall, pitta, and collie? DOAK WALKER.

macaroni

12/17/14 3:07pm

Here's the problem with saying Staley is the best. Everything actually does

Blueto

12/17/14 5:29pm

i understand that, but you've got to really put it all in context.

macaroni

12/17/14 9:55pm

smart post

ZooBlue

12/17/14 10:09pm

Good post! is the debate production or talent?

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 11:33pm

good question. i don't think it's either one...kinda. i think it's if you had

macaroni

12/18/14 6:31am

benefitting from the system is putting it lightly for 2001 Staley

palangi

12/18/14 12:25am

So answer the question then. Would Harvey have been AA, Doak Walker Award winner

fanbraves10

12/18/14 12:43am

I don't think so, but it's a hypothetical, go with what we know. Both ran

palangi

12/18/14 1:04am

you're not being objective, and you're not taking into account mitigating

macaroni

12/18/14 6:39am

I would absolutely take Unga, someone who you know will give you 100+ yards

palangi

12/18/14 9:22am

fair enough. we disagree, but it was good to read your thoughts, though.

macaroni

12/18/14 12:37pm

...kind of like benefitting from the top two players in terms of production in

macaroni

12/18/14 6:34am

I disagree, loved him, but Doman made him. He didn't have Harvey's or Williams'

palangi

12/17/14 11:37am

Do you think Harvey would have done just as well with Doman?

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:39am

little different skill set, Harvey wasn't as fast, but we know how good Luke did

palangi

12/17/14 11:49am

You didn't really answer the question, but I think you were leaning towards

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:04pm

funny thing about Hall/Collie/Pitta is Staley had Doman/Jolley/Mahe

palangi

12/17/14 12:12pm

Right, He had Doman/Jolley/Mahe for only his senior year when he exploded.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:14pm

Luke was great as an option back, but Harvey was a better RB. It's not debatable

palangi

12/17/14 1:59pm

Luke was a better Jedi but Harvey was a better 6' 3.5" tall invisible rabbit.

Go_Trojans

12/17/14 2:02pm

RE: Luke was a better Jedi but Harvey was a better 6' 3.5" tall invisible

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 2:14pm

Luuuke made Doman; Doman lost when Luuuke went down..

ZooBlue

12/17/14 4:47pm

Absolutly Luuuukin' true - DB speed in a linebacker's body

ZooBlue

12/17/14 11:40am

Hard to argue with Doak.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:28am

+1

Ironhide

12/17/14 11:58am

Harvey is solid, and perhaps better between the tackles, but he didn't have

TNT

12/17/14 11:31am

Willis is #1

foofcoug

12/17/14 11:27am

J-Swagg should be ahead of Curtis Brown and Bellini

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:27am

No way- CuBro better production, better durability, and the pass catching

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:29am

I LOVE Curtis Brown but he's not Jamaal.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 11:32am

Compare their stats through 3 seasons

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:44am

If you look at all-time best you have to include Brown's senior year as well.

jreid191

12/17/14 11:50am

It's not really apples to apples to include their senior seasons

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:58am

He can earn his way up the list with a solid senior year

Sea Chicken

12/17/14 11:31am

Williams had better Freshmen and Sophomore years than Brown, but Brown was VERY

jreid191

12/17/14 11:46am

His senior year wasn't incredible.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 12:02pm

I suspect that if Williams stays healthy next year he'll have the season to pass

jreid191

12/17/14 12:05pm

Pete Vanvalkenberg (Lavell's first year)

PolarCoug

12/17/14 11:35am

TNT hasn't seen him but heard he was good

TNT

12/17/14 11:44am

All he did was lead the nation in rushing.

PolarCoug

12/17/14 11:53am

He was technically a QB though, wasn't he?

BYUMizzou

12/17/14 12:54pm

I think you are thinking of eldon fortie

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 1:25pm

took his geology class at Dixie state.

TheWarden

12/17/14 1:36pm

Willis and brown a little higher and I think

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 11:58am

Taysom Hill and Riley Nelson should be on this list

Go_Trojans

12/17/14 12:09pm

TNT thinks Gunther said it best on Riley. He's a safety

TNT

12/17/14 12:14pm

Didn't Jenkins only play one year?

Ulysses14

12/17/14 1:10pm

Played 2

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 1:21pm

Here's my list

jreid191

12/17/14 7:25pm

Luke is the best BYU player I've seen, other than vague memories of Ty

Ulysses14

12/18/14 2:27pm

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