So answer the question then. Would Harvey have been AA, Doak Walker Award winner

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Dec 18, 2014
12:43:30am

fanbraves10

So answer the question then. Would Harvey have been AA, Doak Walker Award winner

if he had played that year with Doman? You can't say it was only because Doman made him, if Doman couldn't have made Harvey.

Also, when did rushing yards and touchdowns start counting for less if it's because you are fast enough to get the corner instead of between the tackles??

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Top 10 Rbs at BYU in the modern era (Lavell forward)

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:24am

Harvey is #1.

Blueto

12/17/14 11:26am

Luuuuuuuuuuke was the best, period

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:27am

Luke was a sprinter who benefited from a QB who could r the option to perfection

Blueto

12/17/14 11:31am

If you put Luke on those Hall-Pitta-Collie teams we would have been BCS busters.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:33am

I don't agree.

Blue Cat

12/17/14 11:39am

Disagree... just watch a game from 2001

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:46am

I've seen them all and it doesn't change my opinion. If I'm starting a team

Blueto

12/17/14 11:57am

then why does Harvey have 1,000 more career yards than Luke? Doman/Crowton made

palangi

12/17/14 12:09pm

And Unga played with Hall-Collie-Pitta. Do you think Doman/Crowton could have

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:14pm

Harvey would have been great in either situation. He was very versatile

palangi

12/17/14 2:14pm

I agree. Harvey would have been all-conference great in either situation.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 3:35pm

you forgot to add option back after aa great. Luke wasn't even a all conf rb b4

palangi

12/17/14 3:49pm

Someone get the Doak Walker Award Committe on the line!!!

fanbraves10

12/17/14 4:11pm

you realize the Doak is a yearly award right? Are you arguing who is the best

palangi

12/17/14 4:23pm

What's the question? If it's career then it's Harvey

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 4:38pm

Oh I thought you said Luke was an AA option back, not a running back.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 4:48pm

2001 he was a rb who ran the option, so I called it option back.As a traditional

palangi

12/17/14 5:35pm

do you remember 1999 and 2000? you're talking apples and oranges here.

macaroni

12/17/14 10:01pm

nah, you obviously don't get it

palangi

12/17/14 10:07pm

excellent response. lol. it's usually better to make an argument with, you know,

macaroni

12/17/14 10:15pm

ok here we go. hardly ever 1000 yard rushers b4 Stayley, except for of course

palangi

12/18/14 12:10am

you didn't really help your case, honestly. if you look only at numbers, then

macaroni

12/18/14 6:31am

No doubt Harvey's awesome, but he's not in the nfl either ...

ZooBlue

12/17/14 10:06pm

oh, ok. and harvey didn't benefit from hall, pitta, and collie? DOAK WALKER.

macaroni

12/17/14 3:07pm

Here's the problem with saying Staley is the best. Everything actually does

Blueto

12/17/14 5:29pm

i understand that, but you've got to really put it all in context.

macaroni

12/17/14 9:55pm

smart post

ZooBlue

12/17/14 10:09pm

Good post! is the debate production or talent?

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 11:33pm

good question. i don't think it's either one...kinda. i think it's if you had

macaroni

12/18/14 6:31am

benefitting from the system is putting it lightly for 2001 Staley

palangi

12/18/14 12:25am

So answer the question then. Would Harvey have been AA, Doak Walker Award winner

fanbraves10

12/18/14 12:43am

I don't think so, but it's a hypothetical, go with what we know. Both ran

palangi

12/18/14 1:04am

you're not being objective, and you're not taking into account mitigating

macaroni

12/18/14 6:39am

I would absolutely take Unga, someone who you know will give you 100+ yards

palangi

12/18/14 9:22am

fair enough. we disagree, but it was good to read your thoughts, though.

macaroni

12/18/14 12:37pm

...kind of like benefitting from the top two players in terms of production in

macaroni

12/18/14 6:34am

I disagree, loved him, but Doman made him. He didn't have Harvey's or Williams'

palangi

12/17/14 11:37am

Do you think Harvey would have done just as well with Doman?

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:39am

little different skill set, Harvey wasn't as fast, but we know how good Luke did

palangi

12/17/14 11:49am

You didn't really answer the question, but I think you were leaning towards

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:04pm

funny thing about Hall/Collie/Pitta is Staley had Doman/Jolley/Mahe

palangi

12/17/14 12:12pm

Right, He had Doman/Jolley/Mahe for only his senior year when he exploded.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 12:14pm

Luke was great as an option back, but Harvey was a better RB. It's not debatable

palangi

12/17/14 1:59pm

Luke was a better Jedi but Harvey was a better 6' 3.5" tall invisible rabbit.

Go_Trojans

12/17/14 2:02pm

RE: Luke was a better Jedi but Harvey was a better 6' 3.5" tall invisible

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 2:14pm

Luuuke made Doman; Doman lost when Luuuke went down..

ZooBlue

12/17/14 4:47pm

Absolutly Luuuukin' true - DB speed in a linebacker's body

ZooBlue

12/17/14 11:40am

Hard to argue with Doak.

fanbraves10

12/17/14 11:28am

+1

Ironhide

12/17/14 11:58am

Harvey is solid, and perhaps better between the tackles, but he didn't have

TNT

12/17/14 11:31am

Willis is #1

foofcoug

12/17/14 11:27am

J-Swagg should be ahead of Curtis Brown and Bellini

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:27am

No way- CuBro better production, better durability, and the pass catching

ChopperDave

12/17/14 11:29am

I LOVE Curtis Brown but he's not Jamaal.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 11:32am

Compare their stats through 3 seasons

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:44am

If you look at all-time best you have to include Brown's senior year as well.

jreid191

12/17/14 11:50am

It's not really apples to apples to include their senior seasons

donnerstag

12/17/14 11:58am

He can earn his way up the list with a solid senior year

Sea Chicken

12/17/14 11:31am

Williams had better Freshmen and Sophomore years than Brown, but Brown was VERY

jreid191

12/17/14 11:46am

His senior year wasn't incredible.

southernfriedcougar

12/17/14 12:02pm

I suspect that if Williams stays healthy next year he'll have the season to pass

jreid191

12/17/14 12:05pm

Pete Vanvalkenberg (Lavell's first year)

PolarCoug

12/17/14 11:35am

TNT hasn't seen him but heard he was good

TNT

12/17/14 11:44am

All he did was lead the nation in rushing.

PolarCoug

12/17/14 11:53am

He was technically a QB though, wasn't he?

BYUMizzou

12/17/14 12:54pm

I think you are thinking of eldon fortie

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 1:25pm

took his geology class at Dixie state.

TheWarden

12/17/14 1:36pm

Willis and brown a little higher and I think

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 11:58am

Taysom Hill and Riley Nelson should be on this list

Go_Trojans

12/17/14 12:09pm

TNT thinks Gunther said it best on Riley. He's a safety

TNT

12/17/14 12:14pm

Didn't Jenkins only play one year?

Ulysses14

12/17/14 1:10pm

Played 2

Tuskaloosa Cougar

12/17/14 1:21pm

Here's my list

jreid191

12/17/14 7:25pm

Luke is the best BYU player I've seen, other than vague memories of Ty

Ulysses14

12/18/14 2:27pm

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