Ziggy is a perfect example of BYU's NFL problem

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May 4, 2015
10:53:17am

Walter Bellhaven

Ziggy is a perfect example of BYU's NFL problem

Bronco had a future first round draft pick in his program. His players new he was a freak athlete. Still, it took an injury to the starter for Ziggy to even get the starting spot his senior season. Obviously, Bronco doesn't know pro talent when he sees it or he just doesn't care and tenure means more to him than success.

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Walter Bellhaven

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Does BYU's philosophy trust "system" and not "talent"?

Coug Dude

5/4/15 10:50am

Ziggy is a perfect example of BYU's NFL problem

Walter Bellhaven

5/4/15 10:53am

Wait, didn't Ziggy get drafted in the first round?

dilbert

5/4/15 10:59am

The one who was BYU's highest draft pick ever

TrueAndBlue

5/4/15 11:00am

That would be Steve Young, but I see your point.

jkccoug

5/4/15 11:17am

Highest NFL draft pick

TrueAndBlue

5/4/15 11:18am

Then it would be tied with McMahon at 5th overall pick.

jkccoug

5/4/15 11:23am

Exactly.

TrueAndBlue

5/4/15 11:25am

His point is, it was only because of any injury that got Ziggy the opportunity

Hinta

5/4/15 11:01am

Can I borrow your crystal ball some time?

kccougar

5/4/15 11:03am

Was his talent really that disguised? NFL scouts apparently didn't think so.

Zach Morris

5/4/15 11:28am

as has been pointed out, Bronco was one of the first to label him an NFL guy

WhiteKnight

5/4/15 11:34am

Neither did Bronco.

kccougar

5/4/15 11:35am

RE: Neither did Bronco.

Zach Morris

5/4/15 12:33pm

Not hating me. You seem to have adapted very well to the Hater role

kccougar

5/4/15 1:01pm

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Zach Morris

5/4/15 1:22pm

Oh, and for those keeping track at home, You win for referencing me more often.

kccougar

5/4/15 1:06pm

Can you two just cut it out?

PlanoCougar

5/4/15 1:07pm

Pot, meet Kettle and time to look in the mirror.

Acorn

5/4/15 1:44pm

You're coming off really poorly Zach.

YSMACK

5/4/15 2:28pm

You think we have Ziggy's all over the team and the only reason

kimdaddy35

5/4/15 11:06am

Gotta admit, that would be a great problem to have.

crack

5/4/15 11:08am

and he was not a liability when he was on the field.

Belboz

5/4/15 11:14am

I actually think that Ziggy would have been drafted even if he

dilbert

5/4/15 11:14am

"the opportunity" - he was in the 2-deep- at two positions, preseason. with 4

SoCalCoug

5/4/15 12:11pm

Before the season, Bronco said Ziggy would be playing in the NFL...and that was

ByuMba90

5/4/15 11:00am

I agree. I think it is the latter option as well.

Walter Bellhaven

5/4/15 11:08am

Yep, Bronco was predicting it quite early

WhiteKnight

5/4/15 11:11am

Ability and knowing how to play football are not the same thing.

thecelloguy

5/4/15 11:00am

He is a perfect example, but not how you put it

kimdaddy35

5/4/15 11:02am

It's a really tough argument to make that the coaches weren't trying to get

Left Shark Coug

5/4/15 11:04am

Do you want Mo out on the field his Fr. or So. years too?

Deadpool

5/4/15 11:08am

So we should have benched Manumaleuna even though Ziggy seemed semi-clueless?

mulletYno

5/4/15 11:12am

People who suggest that are idiots. However, we start two DE's.

Left Shark Coug

5/4/15 11:15am

We had 3 four-year starters on the DL that year, until injuries hit.

SoCalCoug

5/4/15 11:58am

Actually, 4: Dulan, Manumaleuna, Fuga, Tialavea, all seniors

SoCalCoug

5/4/15 12:01pm

And with OLB being the premier pass-rushing position in a 3-4, wouldn't you want

SoCalCoug

5/4/15 12:07pm

I actually just about fully agree with your posts

Left Shark Coug

5/4/15 12:33pm

I think every coach struggles with how to use talented players who don't

jkccoug

5/4/15 11:20am

I don't get how people throw BM under the bus for this one

5/4/15 11:36am

I have no problem with how Bronco

5/4/15 11:59am

not this again...

Iman23

5/4/15 10:53am

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Mall Santa

5/4/15 11:02am

Clearly, which based on the odds is a very smart thing to do at BYU.

kccougar

5/4/15 10:53am

Interesting question, but I don't think it's "either or"

PlanoCougar

5/4/15 10:53am

I think the problem is BYU fans overestimate the number of "freak athletes"

TrueAndBlue

5/4/15 10:58am

This is a legitimate gripe

Deadpool

5/4/15 11:39am

This is a great point. We just don't have that many players of that

jkccoug

5/4/15 11:57am

I totally agree with this.

PlanoCougar

5/4/15 12:24pm

Good point

Coug Dude

5/4/15 10:59am

The defense is predicated on system responsibility. At least that is how I see

QBarrister

5/4/15 11:03am

I think Bronco values the "system" over individual talent. And for the most part

Real Men Wear Blue

5/4/15 11:34am

Good question. The issue is the Pittsburgh Steelers use the same system.

5/4/15 12:43pm

Comes down to bad coaching and

GOBIGBLUE

5/4/15 2:26pm

BYU lacks the across the board athleticism to accomodate going off script on D

jrj84105

5/4/15 2:55pm

key observation

5/4/15 3:37pm

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