You have to take his post-steroids numbers with a grain of salt

May 7, 2015
10:41:07am

donnerstag

He was sitting at 403 home runs pre-steroid. Dale Murphy was at 354 at the same age. Most of his damage came at age 34 and after on steroids. He's not close to GOAT pre-steroids.

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POLL: The greatest living baseball player in MLB History is:

YardTime

5/6/15 11:02pm

Looks like Hank Aaron has lost a step.

garyfan

5/6/15 11:06pm

Nolan Ryan trumps Hendersen

jxncoog

5/6/15 11:09pm

RE: Nolan Ryan trumps Hendersen

YardTime

5/6/15 11:21pm

fwiw: I voted for Hank

jxncoog

5/6/15 11:34pm

All time records in walks, runs, and stolen bases

Josef K

5/7/15 12:35am

They both set records that will never be broken

KingDave

5/6/15 11:24pm

I don't think there has ever been a better lead off hitter

donnerstag

5/7/15 11:31am

Mays and Aaron are very close statistically speaking.

MantiCoug

5/6/15 11:09pm

Luis Gonzalez

nashty

5/6/15 11:10pm

Omar Vizquel

BlueFrog

5/6/15 11:24pm

Pedro Martinez?

blucoug18

5/6/15 11:24pm

I give the edge to Willie Mays over Hank based on defense

PING Man

5/6/15 11:25pm

I hadn't thought of this, this changes my vote

WhiteKnight

5/7/15 6:10am

And stolen bases.

mncougar

5/7/15 7:36am

Legends never die

billyrust

5/6/15 11:27pm

It has to be Willie Mays

donnerstag

5/6/15 11:46pm

Ozzie Smith

TonyStark

5/6/15 11:50pm

Charlie Hustle

BW84

5/7/15 12:16am

Barry, Willie, Hank, Roger, Alex, Rickey, Tom Seaver, Frank Robinson, Maddux,

Josef K

5/7/15 12:34am

Barry doesn't belong on the list

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 12:45am

Most used drugs of some kind or another.

Josef K

5/7/15 1:03am

LOL at your explanation

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 1:24am

Your pics show it all.

Josef K

5/7/15 9:08am

Of the 90's? Nah. He was a great player, but

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 1:39am

Bonds won three MVP awards in the 90s. Griffey won 1. Griffey hit for more power

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:22am

Also --Bonds stole a lot more bases. Griffey's best base stealing year would've

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:28am

Bonds had a higher WAR, higher OPS, more SB's, more runs, same avg, higher slg.

Josef K

5/7/15 9:01am

And he kills him in OBP, walks, strikeouts, and stolen bases. Griffey was a

SPORTS

5/7/15 9:24am

Griffey was a better fielder, had the same BA, and hit more HR's.

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 10:10am

Bonds' WAR for the nineties was the second highest for any decade since the 30's

Josef K

5/7/15 10:11am

Pre-steroids Bonds was the best MLB player since Mays. He was amazing. He hit

SPORTS

5/7/15 6:52am

The debate is between Aaron, Bonds or Mays

Busiturtle

5/7/15 6:32am

This.

SPORTS

5/7/15 6:52am

Bonds isn't in the discussion

blucoug18

5/7/15 8:39am

Pre-steroids he won 3 MVP awards and was the best player in baseball.

SPORTS

5/7/15 9:27am

We didn't make him take steroids.

SoCalCoug

5/7/15 9:56am

If we're honest, the pre-steroids Bonds was having a fantastic career

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:17am

probably inflated? Like hitting 73 HR at age 36?

blucoug18

5/7/15 10:21am

You missed the "in a dramatic way" part of my statement

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:32am

Exactly. His career BA would probably be in the high .280's or low .290's,

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 10:32am

You anti bonds folks are nuts.

Josef K

5/7/15 10:49am

Bonds began using after the 1998 season

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:07am

With a normal decline as he aged, he wouldn't have cracked 600.

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 11:24am

Okay so he was three months short of 35.

Josef K

5/7/15 11:31am

RE: Okay so he was three months short of 35.

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:35am

As in 9 months? LOL

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 11:37am

Huh? You said he started using after the 1998 season.

Josef K

5/7/15 11:57am

Why don't you understand? He was 34 when he started using

kimdaddy35

5/7/15 5:16pm

He turned 34 during the 1998 season. You said he started using after the 1998

Josef K

5/7/15 5:57pm

Welp, if nothing else, this thread has taught me that sasquatch lives, the

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 8:01pm

Actually, most baseball analytic websites are Bonds apologists.

Josef K

5/7/15 10:10pm

Most of his contemporaries weren't taking steroids their whole careers

donnerstag

5/7/15 11:16am

You think that if he had cheated his whole career, instead of only part of it,

Cochise Cat

5/7/15 11:22am

did I not just say that? We are talking greatest living player

blucoug18

5/7/15 10:19am

Maybe it should be G.O.A.T.S.E.

SoCalCoug

5/7/15 10:03am

I'd go with Mays. Hank's offensive numbers are a little better, but Willie Mays

SPORTS

5/7/15 7:08am

You have to take his post-steroids numbers with a grain of salt

donnerstag

5/7/15 10:41am

RE: POLL: The greatest living baseball player in MLB History is:

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