I believe Rose has better record than Cleveland and you point out many good metrics of the difference.

My main point is that Rose's level of success is similar to that of Bronco and although better than Cleveland, not so different as to be great.

Here are the areas of your metric that I would use as a comparison.

1. 6 single digit seeds produced 4 wins, including play in games.
2. No conference tournament championships in 10 years.
3. NCAA winning percentage 4th out of 6 decades.
4. Number of NBA players tied for lowest in the last 50 years.

I'm far from a Rose hater, more of a Cleveland and Bronco booster. So, I am interested in how you would compare Bronco's level to Rose's level. BYU football under Bronco often gets the "relevance" criteria used against him.

I'm curious whether you think Rose has made BYU basketball more relevant than BYU football? What are Rose's signature wins in basketball?
I also think not winning the WCC in 4 years is that spectacular and if BYU were in the football equivalent of the WCC and hadn't won, Bronco would be criticized for it.