It isn't that black or white. Or at least we'll never know if it is or not.

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May 3, 2016
9:37:40am

Walter Bellhaven All-American

If the B12 just flat doesn't want us, they just don't want us. It could really be that simple.

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Walter Bellhaven

Previous username: The Dan Man
Bio page: Walter Bellhaven
Joined: Sep 10, 2009
Last login: Jul 6, 2017
Total posts: 43,168 (716 FO)

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If the B12 expands and doesnt pick BYU it's on Tom and Worthen. You're the best

Blueto

5/3/16 8:29am

Rumors are that the BYU negotiating team ticked off Big 12

TNT

5/3/16 8:31am

team of lawyers can always anger those that don't share a beer

digitalayon

5/3/16 9:01am

Afraid this may be the case but hoping otherwise.

soupie

5/3/16 9:04am

Not true. It never got nearly far enough along for such a scenario.

RugbyCoug

5/3/16 9:34am

Confirmed to me by a HC at BYU.

Walter Bellhaven

5/3/16 9:36am

A hot cousin?

Fetchin Fetcher

5/3/16 12:31pm

Not true, it didn't even get that far. Not saying it wouldn't happen though

Ghost

5/3/16 10:00am

Just stop, TNT. That's a crap rumor, and repeating it perpetuates it.

Abe Froman

5/3/16 11:29am

It was told to me by a former BYU, now UVa coach. Luckily bad impressions can be

sickwizardfish1

5/3/16 1:38pm

Uh huh.... sure.... We got a true insider here folks!

Fetchin Fetcher

5/3/16 1:54pm

Nobody negotiated anything with the B12 in 2011. That was the Big East who said

QBfactoryclosed

5/3/16 11:38am

Wish people would stop spreading false rumors. They didn't upset anyone - period! Once again, my friend within

Cougarpride

5/3/16 2:39pm

^^^^^The guy who unknowingly ticked everybody off^^^^^^

jrj84105

5/3/16 3:30pm

Kidding or not your probably right

ABCoug

5/3/16 9:14pm

You know, you're version doesn't match unsubstantiated internet rumors and

RebelScum

5/3/16 8:37pm

LOL

Cougarpride

5/3/16 8:40pm

You have a friend in the BIG 12 offices!! Is this friend still there?

SnickSnack

5/4/16 4:25pm

Still there and working everyday - involved in all meetings and discussions. Great thing is he has zero ties to BYU

Cougarpride

5/4/16 4:46pm

stop perpetuating myths

yahtzee

5/3/16 4:24pm

You lost me at "Rumors are....".

Rocketman

5/3/16 9:39pm

I don't see how you could possibly

JKLCoug

5/3/16 8:33am

or bigotry.

Mister P

5/3/16 8:34am

The bigotry theory doesn't jive well with the "money is all that matters" theory

Zach Morris

5/3/16 8:39am

I see it as bigotry and $. But not bigotry against BYU, but the

QBarrister

5/3/16 8:50am

That seems reasonable.

Zach Morris

5/3/16 8:52am

I disagree with the reality of this statement

SnickSnack

5/3/16 10:11am

The head you put the bigotry hat on is just semantics

teancum

5/3/16 10:58am

or geography

AtlantaCoug

5/3/16 8:37am

This is Holmoe's Waterloo for sure

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 8:41am

I don't think he'll be remembered as a horrible AD but he should be remembered

Zach Morris

5/3/16 8:47am

Its really not his fault that it isnt happening.

OliverGranger

5/3/16 11:19am

Wow... just... well... wow.

Smoke Monster

5/3/16 12:39pm

Wow, I've read a lot of dumb comments on CB, many of them my own, but this ranks

Texas Hammer

5/3/16 2:04pm

He just used extreme examples, but there is no denying that some people in

Polecat

5/3/16 9:22pm

Yes, I do.

Kerbouchard

5/3/16 6:49pm

Would make for a cool documentary. If TH wore google glass or somehow

QBarrister

5/3/16 8:52am

I really disagree.

Future_Tacos

5/3/16 8:55am

This is a very good post

youngster

5/3/16 9:27am

I blame the LDS Church

kiyoshige

5/3/16 11:21am

So does Neon Trees.

Future_Tacos

5/3/16 7:42pm

If BYU is added to B12, Tom and Worthen deserve incredible credit.

CosmoK

5/3/16 8:57am

This statement is very true.

Blueto

5/3/16 9:23am

False

darkcoug

5/3/16 9:04am

I think 95% of BYU fans don't expect us to get an invite and I'm not blaming

franklyvulgar

5/3/16 9:04am

The Big 12 has proven time after time that it is run by morons

Caboom

5/3/16 9:08am

People can't fathom they don't want us they see all the benefits

franklyvulgar

5/3/16 9:11am

It was a different landscape in 2011 but those events may have poisoned the B12 long term. Back then

soupie

5/3/16 9:14am

It isn't that black or white. Or at least we'll never know if it is or not.

Walter Bellhaven

5/3/16 9:37am

I get that it is nuanced but I'm going bottom line, just like Kalani has to

Blueto

5/3/16 10:06am

Apples and oranges.

Walter Bellhaven

5/3/16 10:14am

Definitely the fault of Worthen and Holmoe that BYU is owned by the LDS Church.

zonacougar

5/3/16 9:41am

I agree with this since closing the deal is CRITICAL to BYU's future; however

RillDill

5/3/16 9:43am

Problem is, Big12 is looking for someone with genital warts. TcU, Cincy have it

Y4LYFE

5/3/16 10:11am

If they don't pick us, there may very well have been absolutely nothing Tom or Worthen could have done...

BengalCougar

5/3/16 10:18am

Pretty ignorant post

chazen

5/3/16 10:33am

Yea, Tom and Kevin, since you have total power over voting rights and

BYU I Bleed Blue

5/3/16 10:36am

I love the reference to "fake liking independence." Haha, so true

WhyKnot

5/3/16 11:02am

It's relative. Indy better than MWC. Nobody thinks Indy better than B12.

CosmoK

5/3/16 11:11am

no. It is on Mormons being a peculiar people and Big 12/pac 12 being bigots.

idacoug

5/3/16 11:14am

Until Worthen and Holmoe find a way to detach BYU from the LDS church

Backcountry

5/3/16 11:25am

That will never happen.

BostonCougar

5/3/16 11:33am

Of course. And I wouldn't want it to. Just saying that BYU will never be P5.

Backcountry

5/3/16 12:09pm

I see it the other way around. If BYU is added, Tom and Kevin deserve our

YIsForBrigham

5/3/16 11:46am

It is on them, mostly TH. A legacy defining moment. HERO or FAILURE!

byucougarsbig12

5/3/16 8:50pm

How on earth did you reach that conclusion? Tom and President Worthen can't control who are selected

Cougarpride

5/3/16 1:50pm

Fake independence?! Some of us actually like it.

digitalayon

5/3/16 2:25pm

Is it preferable to have UNLV & Idaho St...or

BYUFam1

5/3/16 5:32pm

Agreed. The buck stops with them. TH already blew it once also.

Kerbouchard

5/3/16 6:49pm

Could be 12-43 football coach, 0-2 AD, BUT ONE BIG12 invite=LOVE YOU!

byucougarsbig12

5/3/16 9:03pm

I don't believe that they will be solely responsible if we don't get in

Harrison0Yfan

5/3/16 7:38pm

Maybe they should follow the Nephites lead and send some top notch wine

Q-grr

5/3/16 7:45pm

Completely agree. Massive failure on those two.

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