I'm not going to try to persuade you otherwise, I agree with you....

May 26, 2017
8:59:38am

CoachSpeak Playmaker

Utah only matters for the reasons you gave, nothing of national importance happens if we beat them. LSU is the far bigger win, far, far, far bigger.

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Seriously? Have BYU fans accepted the role of "Little Brother" now? Jarom Jordan

BamaCoug

5/26/17 7:52am

BYU fans that live in Utah are so disappointing

Random Walk

5/26/17 7:54am

BYU fans that live outside of Utah are clueless.

SlippinJimmie

5/26/17 7:55am

I'm sorry that your yewt co-workers, neighbors, and acquaintances say things

Random Walk

5/26/17 7:57am

Come deal with it on a daily basis and see if you change your mind.

ManicBlue

5/26/17 10:43am

I used to live in Utah.

Random Walk

5/26/17 12:41pm

When did you leave and where did you live? 5 yrs ago and off-campus? hahaha

ManicBlue

5/26/17 1:24pm

Four years ago. Davis County.

Random Walk

5/26/17 2:37pm

RE: Four years ago. Davis County.

ManicBlue

5/26/17 4:07pm

We've come full circle. I'm disappointed that so many BYU fans in Utah

Random Walk

5/26/17 4:21pm

Come full circle?

ManicBlue

5/26/17 4:27pm

I was referencing this:

Random Walk

5/26/17 4:33pm

and I'll restate my response in case you missed it.

ManicBlue

5/26/17 5:47pm

Cool

Random Walk

5/26/17 8:59pm

It's true

Cougarealist

5/26/17 8:03am

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dYrtbYkerYder

5/26/17 9:39am

feel free to clue us in on what we are missing

Sale

5/26/17 10:00am

Especially since so many of us have spent time living in Utah

buffgato

5/26/17 10:02am

in the past 7 yrs?

ManicBlue

5/26/17 10:44am

Yes

buffgato

5/26/17 10:56am

Well, if you guys are all falling victim to the Ute trolls day in and day out

Sale

5/26/17 11:00am

I don't disagree that a win over LSU is a much better win but

ManicBlue

5/26/17 11:06am

good perspective, but how many people (including BYU fans)

Sale

5/26/17 11:17am

You're kidding right?

ManicBlue

5/26/17 4:16pm

true, but replace the Utes in any of those exciting finishes with a Notre Dame

Sale

5/26/17 5:20pm

It changes nothing until BYU starts dominating them over a period of years

Cyclogist

5/26/17 11:49am

Not true

ManicBlue

5/26/17 8:24pm

*gasp*

BluebloodOR

5/26/17 10:27am

Why ya gotta be so mean? Majority of Cougar fans/alums live outside of UT

BamaCoug

5/26/17 12:04pm

I work at the U and am sick of the little brother mentality CB has

Ghost

5/26/17 12:39pm

"I work at the U." Yeah, your opinion is immediately void after that.

SlippinJimmie

5/26/17 12:49pm

I think that it makes his opinion even more valid.

Random Walk

5/26/17 12:49pm

It's not where he works that matters, it's that he's wrong

byujdmba

5/26/17 5:20pm

Yeah, so disappointing that we want to best our rival

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:21am

Normally I would agree with you but they have to beat Utah and get that monkey

palangi

5/26/17 1:01pm

I think the fact that they've now beat us so many times in a row is getting into

The Lone Star Cougar

5/26/17 7:56am

this is true. I am sick of doing Utah stuff with the bets I lose at work. Still

BYUheaven

5/26/17 7:57am

I don't get crap anymore from Ute fans at work.

IndependentGeorge

5/26/17 8:03am

We are to them what usu is to us. A joke. Beating us is a foregone conclusion.

Backcountry

5/26/17 8:30am

This is the saddest part of where the rivalry is at in their minds....

Bonoman

5/26/17 11:11pm

Plus we recruit head to head with Utah.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:24am

I would take a win over LSU.

BYUheaven

5/26/17 7:56am

Me too, WAAAAY more recognition on a national level.

NorCal_Coug

5/26/17 8:53am

That would immediately be lost with a loss to Utah the following week.

Florwood

5/26/17 8:59am

That's historically how BYU operates

buffgato

5/26/17 9:11am

An early season loss before Utah takes any relevance out of beating them too

NorCal_Coug

5/26/17 9:42am

Don't doubt that ute fans are voting too

permiso

5/26/17 7:58am

I would much rather BYU beat LSU. I don't want a guaranteed loss to BYU.

Ute in DC

5/26/17 8:28am

It's not about being a little brother. It's about losing to them six times in a

Dangerous

5/26/17 7:59am

Disagree. Beating LSU would generate more press, more attention, and more

Random Walk

5/26/17 8:02am

Agreed, but you have the national perspective, not the 801 perspective.

NewMexiCoug

5/26/17 8:08am

Recruits at east and Bingham don't care about lsu. Beating utah is what will

Backcountry

5/26/17 8:42am

Oh, they care. They care too see BYU beat a national brand like LSU. But they

Cougar TD

5/26/17 9:26am

Where did the biggest recruit out of Utah go last year? Not BYU or Utah!!

Ghost

5/26/17 12:48pm

Definitely

Backcountry

5/26/17 5:11pm

More recruiting battles going against Utah??

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:26am

I'm surprised this is even a question. You always want to beat your rival.

byujdmba

5/26/17 8:09am

Yes, but that's actually likely this year (I know I know ... past experience...)

BamaCoug

5/26/17 8:13am

I don't care about bringing relevance to the brand

Cougarealist

5/26/17 8:53am

Pretty sure a win over LSU away from LES will do more for a top 25 ranking than

BamaCoug

5/26/17 9:36am

You realize Utah is in a P5 now and ranked more

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:30am

Wait ... What? Really?

BamaCoug

5/26/17 9:12pm

we're favored by 1 IIRC, meaning we'd expect to lose on a neutral field.

byujdmba

5/26/17 5:22pm

This one

BYUSwoop

5/26/17 8:27am

So beat them! And then take the guaranteed win against the top 12 team. (LSU)

whirl

5/26/17 8:28am

^^This^^ (why is this hard to understand?!?)

BamaCoug

5/26/17 9:36am

Seriously!

RUNBYU1

5/26/17 11:27am

Just because you live in the South, doesn't mean you're right.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:33am

It usually does.

whirl

5/26/17 12:15pm

Beating your rival would do more for monetary support in BYU than beating LSU

BYUSwoop

5/26/17 8:28am

repeated beatdowns have rendered half of this fan base milquetoast

Cougarealist

5/26/17 8:52am

Beatdowns? All of Utah's recent wins (except for one) have been by 1 score or

crack

5/26/17 12:53pm

Sure, but I'd prefer a guaranteed BYU win against LSU.

Belboz

5/26/17 11:25am

But, never underestimate the mental weakness of BYU athletes while playing Utah. So, go for the one that will

indocoug

5/26/17 8:14am

I love the lobbying for a different outcome

Solomon Levi

5/26/17 8:15am

The "little brother" phrase is tired and worn out

qom

5/26/17 8:24am

This board has been exhibiting "little Bro" symptoms since PAC12 went to plan B.

fulano

5/26/17 8:28am

Byu is little brother. Own it, but hope kalani and Holmoe can turn things around

Backcountry

5/26/17 8:29am

Oh, brother. It's just cyclical.

byujdmba

5/26/17 8:34am

Utahs p5 affiliation is cyclical?

Backcountry

5/26/17 8:44am

Result of the cycle. And not why we lose.

byujdmba

5/26/17 9:25am

Give me a break. The football programs are competitive and BYU is ahead in most

vagabonder

5/26/17 11:14am

Keep running that undergrad academic smack. Take what you can get I guess

Backcountry

5/26/17 11:45am

That and just about any other measure that's not football.

vagabonder

5/26/17 1:20pm

We're just tired of Utah getting the ball to fall their way in the rivalry games

monkeycowboy

5/26/17 8:29am

Utah. a 57% chance of us winning is way too high.

D.T. Survivor

5/26/17 8:40am

Not in my book. I'm confident of a win over the Utes this year.

BamaCoug

5/26/17 9:41am

As confident as the last SIX losses in a row?!?!

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/26/17 11:34am

I'm not going to try to persuade you otherwise, I agree with you....

CoachSpeak

5/26/17 8:59am

We haven't won a rivalry game since 2009. It's a no brainer at this point

cajuncoug

5/26/17 9:06am

For me, it's all about what we have to lose - and hedging against that.

buffgato

5/26/17 9:10am

IMO there is more to lose in a loss to Utah than LSU

billyrust

5/26/17 9:21am

We need to beat Utah

Coop

5/26/17 9:38am

Jarom Jordan is a tool, his over the top schtick is so annoying...

Northern Blue

5/26/17 9:22am

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Spencer yesterday...

buffgato

5/26/17 9:24am

I can tolerate Spencer easier than I can Jarom. They really need to get some..

Northern Blue

5/26/17 9:31am

LSU and it's not close.

Real Men Wear Blue

5/26/17 9:24am

For those that live in Utah, and have to deal w/ Utes on a daily basis, I don't blame that result. For those living

ocmyhome

5/26/17 9:25am

Beating lsu does nothing for byu. Beating itah does.

Backcountry

5/26/17 9:25am

You must live in Utah...

ocmyhome

5/26/17 9:46am

You must have forgot how much Utah owns BYU.

BYU81

5/26/17 10:16am

Wow. That's some derangement the Yewts have implanted in your brain.

BamaCoug

5/26/17 9:59am

Lsu doesn't impact recruiting. Utah does significantly.

Backcountry

5/26/17 10:15am

We just won the in-state LDS recruiting battle over the Utes despite 6 losses...

BamaCoug

5/26/17 7:48pm

We got quantity, they got the best kids. Last 2 years. We are holding our own

Backcountry

5/26/17 9:53pm

Imagine how Ute fans felt before 1993

Rise as Utes

5/26/17 10:17am

i'm with you...i voted LSU...it's a WAY bigger deal. plus we get UU at home

nashty

5/26/17 9:34am

This has nothing to do with being a little brother, and everything to do with rivalry.

IrishCooga

5/26/17 9:56am

Like Jarom said on the show it is the logical vs the emotional response

Dr T-bone

5/26/17 9:58am

Utah is always the logical response.

Turnpike Lane

5/26/17 10:14am

We are already favored to beat Utah, Almost no chance to beat LSU

Dr T-bone

5/26/17 10:51am

So how did that 2009 win vs OU help recruiting? And the Texas wins?

Turnpike Lane

5/26/17 11:41am

Utah and it's not close.

BYU81

5/26/17 10:06am

Although this FPI is pretty crazy. Less than 10% chance of beating LSU.

BYU81

5/26/17 10:15am

Sorry. I can't go there with you.

Ham

5/26/17 10:09am

Beating LSU would be fun for a whole year too...

BamaCoug

5/26/17 10:35am

My guess is that you interpreted the question in a real time scenario, whereas

Harrison0Yfan

5/26/17 10:32am

It's not little brother. It's recruiting, it's local mindshare.

TheRowdy

5/26/17 10:43am

We are in no way expected to beat LSU. It doesn't sound like it is even close to

jcase16byu

5/26/17 10:50am

LSU no doubt and I live in Utah.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

5/26/17 11:00am

I voted LSU, but also dont think we'll beat Utah like ever

Y4LYFE

5/26/17 11:17am

LSU is obviously the better win, but...

LifelongAP

5/26/17 11:20am

I agree with you. Take the guaranteed W at LSU, & have 6x more chance to beat UT

RUNBYU1

5/26/17 11:26am

Dude. I guess we better beat Utah or we're all going to lose our minds.

Mark320

5/26/17 11:31am

The only reason I would vote for Utah is because it breaks the streak and does matter

Adrielle

5/26/17 12:09pm

Breaking news. Rivalries matter in college football.

Crush4

5/26/17 12:24pm

Which win gives you a better output in recruiting?

checoug

5/26/17 12:37pm

Instate and only against Utah. LSU is a national recruiting win.

ImuaKahuku

5/27/17 9:17am

We are "little brother" now. Sadly, BYU is no longer in a position to be..

k2coug

5/26/17 8:25pm

I lean towards the LSU win. It more than offsets a loss to Utah to most recruit.

ImuaKahuku

5/26/17 11:52pm

Here's the deal: I have hope that we can beat LSU.

flyonawall

5/27/17 12:11am

You are right, they are wrong

Incentivize

5/27/17 8:49am

Here's a concept: let's win both games & win in-state and national recruiting

qom

5/27/17 9:58am

How about if we go ahead and just win both games?

slatecoug

5/27/17 10:32am

Those of us who live in Utah are sick and tired of losing 6 games in a row

bigjohn

5/27/17 4:39pm

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bigjohn

5/27/17 5:01pm

Dumb debate. Just win both games and I'll be happy.

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