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Sep 11, 2017
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TNT
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Probably true
but some fans would see it at as a relief and move on.
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So sick of Independence!!!
blackshirts
9/11/17 8:17pm
you don't have a good grasp of the economics of indy vs g5. Indy>>>>>>>>>g5
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 8:18pm
is it just about money?
Cougarealist
9/11/17 8:20pm
It's about competing at the highest level.
LiveCoug
9/11/17 8:20pm
Who are we competing against?
Cougarealist
9/11/17 8:23pm
UMASS, Army, and Notre Dame for independent supremacy...obviously.
Ocho Cuatro
9/11/17 8:24pm
Says who? The October and November schedule?
Cougarfan777
9/11/17 8:23pm
That was the goal. If anything, our level of competitiveness has dipped.
Ocho Cuatro
9/11/17 8:23pm
UNLV,SDSU,WYO,UTEP,NewMex,CSU, etc. every stinking year....no thanks
HootnHoller
9/11/17 9:11pm
With three NCG, like Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado it'd be about the same.
blackshirts
9/11/17 10:06pm
I have fond memories of winning conference championships
VACOUGFAN
9/12/17 8:15am
Amen
HootnHoller
9/12/17 11:50am
I have fond memories of the LV Bowl and the LV Bowl, oh and the LV Bowl....
blackshirts
9/12/17 2:07pm
Once you get past the big 7 or 8 bowls, it really doesn't matter which ones you go to.
VACOUGFAN
9/12/17 3:55pm
MWC Bowl Ties, highest ranked team from AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC & Sun Belt = NY6
blackshirts
9/12/17 2:16pm
Yay. We get to be an also ran.
VACOUGFAN
9/12/17 3:56pm
a problem for me about these teams is that most of them are in cities I don't want to visit ever again.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 10:29pm
SDSU, WYO, NM, and CSU would be very competitive games.
brejol
9/12/17 1:07am
Unfortunately, you are right.
HootnHoller
9/12/17 11:43am
If we need more money for coaches, facilities, upgrades, recruiting, etc forcing ourselves to earn less of it won't help
mulletino
9/11/17 8:22pm
nope... but without money you can't survive.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 8:22pm
Until ESPN comes back and doesn't resign BYU to its contract.
Mathew
9/11/17 8:23pm
They will. We are still a bargain to them.
LiveCoug
9/11/17 8:24pm
That expires next year
AxelDC
9/12/17 7:58am
I thought it was set to expire after next season but has already had the option
BYUFam1
9/12/17 8:28am
Do you have a grasp that BYU has beat 1 P5 winning team while independent.
blackshirts
9/11/17 8:24pm
Would that be different if we were MWC?
Ragnar Danneskjold
9/11/17 9:19pm
Based on the BSU model, yes. Maybe every five years BYU has a good chance at a
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:59pm
Seriously?
Eddie
9/12/17 8:44am
Couldn't BYU get a Boise-type contract where it gets a lot more games on TV
Scratch
9/11/17 8:46pm
i would also like to know the answer to this
fi3sta
9/11/17 9:32pm
BYU receives multiples more than BSU.
finnish_blue
9/11/17 11:41pm
It looks like Boise gets about $3M. So BYU gets a little bit more. Certainly not
Scratch
9/12/17 12:04am
About double most years
jkccoug
9/12/17 7:57am
You're way off. BYU itself has reported about $4.8M/year for all TV and radio.
Scratch
9/12/17 9:35am
I hate to say that you are wrong, but you are wrong.
finnish_blue
9/12/17 9:41am
So was BYU not being forthcoming in its financial disclosures?
Scratch
9/12/17 9:42am
No, every year is different. We get paid more depending on where the games are
jkccoug
9/12/17 10:02am
That information is for 2014. In 2014, BYU had 3 home games on ESPN, 1
Scratch
9/12/17 10:10am
There has been escalation since then
jkccoug
9/12/17 10:12am
That's not what you said before, and I've never seen anything in any of the
Scratch
9/12/17 10:13am
Not close. It is by game, not "year." The per game amounts are as listed.
jkccoug
9/12/17 10:01am
Until ESPN pulls the plug
AxelDC
9/12/17 7:57am
ESPN already renewed the deal when it didn't have to
jkccoug
9/12/17 8:42am
I generally agree with that, although it varies somewhat from year to year.
Scratch
9/12/17 9:40am
I don't think ESPN has as much leverage now as there was at the beginning
jkccoug
9/12/17 10:09am
There will absolutely be others, it just depends on how willing BYU is to go
Scratch
9/12/17 10:12am
The going rate for the top 50 games for P5 conferences is about $3.5-5M per game
boscatar
9/12/17 1:38pm
I'd take it. The P5 schedule is great unless your team is G5 level.
Ocho Cuatro
9/11/17 8:20pm
A lil patience, dude. It's our coaching staff's 2nd year. They've been
mantis mutu
9/11/17 8:38pm
They should get at least a couple of years to learn their jobs
Cougrrrs Roll
9/12/17 1:51am
We wouldn't have fared nearly so well last season if we'd faced the likes of LSU
mantis mutu
9/12/17 9:52am
Nooo...what we need is a deal with AAC for games at end of year with bowl tie ins. that's all
SouthernBlueBlood
9/11/17 8:22pm
Id take that over the current plan any day!
blackshirts
9/11/17 8:28pm
Who wouldn't? But that's a very different scenario than joining a G5.
mantis mutu
9/11/17 10:05pm
Why is that better than AAC membership?
AxelDC
9/12/17 7:59am
Like having your program & media rights dictated by a quack Commish & TV deal?
mantis mutu
9/11/17 8:23pm
MWC Sucked, But We Aren't Competitive at This Level
DeepCCoug
9/11/17 10:11pm
LSU isn't just P5. It's a top SEC team, bud. If you don't want the chance to
mantis mutu
9/11/17 10:16pm
Maybe I'm Expecting Too Much...
DeepCCoug
9/11/17 10:47pm
Well what's "coming out right in the end" amount to you, exactly?
mantis mutu
9/11/17 11:55pm
What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs
TNT
9/11/17 8:23pm
They have medicine for that nowadays.
Holy Driver
9/11/17 8:28pm
RE: What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs
jkccoug
9/11/17 8:50pm
Ouch
Tsisquan
9/11/17 11:37pm
I agree on multiple points but acknowledge $ is probably better Indy
troutmaster13
9/11/17 8:24pm
Only situation I would think about a g5 conference is if we could keep our espn deal.
Deleted
9/11/17 8:28pm
Going back to a G5 is officially giving up. It's one of the few things BYU could
bluescholar
9/11/17 8:35pm
Tom knows that donations dry up if we go back to G5. It's a big part of the economic picture.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 8:37pm
nonsense
Cougarealist
9/11/17 8:39pm
ask Tom/Robbie/Chad what they think would happen to the amount of donations. I'd bet they'd be cut in half.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 9:10pm
Probably true
TNT
9/11/17 9:16pm
You act like BYU is in a P5 conference.
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:36pm
I have keen awareness of the differences between P5 and Indy.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 9:38pm
Oh so you agree, if you're not in a P5 conferene you're not P5.
blackshirts
9/12/17 7:10am
How old are you? Honestly.
VACOUGFAN
9/13/17 10:05am
Two deletes... Don't get angry! Go color.
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:43pm
I don't understand your post. Are you saying I'm angry and deleted 2 posts? If so, neither claim is true.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 9:51pm
That one was actually meant for another. lo siento
blackshirts
9/11/17 10:26pm
bye Felicia
Cougarealist
9/11/17 8:37pm
I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in
bluescholar
9/11/17 8:46pm
RE: I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in
Cougarealist
9/11/17 8:51pm
Thankfully, Holmoe's not a moron.
bluescholar
9/11/17 8:53pm
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Abe Froman
9/11/17 9:25pm
Are you new to BYUdom? BYU sports is seen as a missionary extension
TNT
9/11/17 9:07pm
Im sure the program would survive without your support.
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:54pm
And Indy is so prestigious!! Indy is G5 basically.
blackshirts
9/11/17 8:47pm
To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now
BeardedSpock
9/11/17 8:58pm
False. After one or two losses, BYU is not talked about.
Mathew
9/11/17 9:07pm
Agreed the only way BYU is in the national conversation is to be ranked
franklyvulgar
9/11/17 11:56pm
BYU is HOSTING the #10 team in the country on Satruday, on ABC
boscatar
9/12/17 8:09am
With it being early in the season byu could schedule this game out of conference
troutmaster13
9/12/17 8:58am
RE: To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now
CougarPower_1984
9/12/17 8:24am
Not true. THIS year, we play 6 MWC schools. It's an anomaly.
boscatar
9/12/17 8:33am
But each year has has more then a few cupcakes
troutmaster13
9/12/17 8:59am
Indy gets us on TV significantly more often and it gets us significantly more $. Those metrics mater.
HarlemCoug
9/11/17 9:12pm
how much of the additional exposure lead to the 'Dirty BYU Team' label??
Blue streak
9/12/17 7:26am
I think this narrative is false. How many boise state games are not on tv
troutmaster13
9/12/17 9:29am
BYU is G5
AxelDC
9/12/17 8:01am
Right the ship until the Big 12 implodes in 2025 & create a best of the rest
bigbossbyu
9/11/17 8:46pm
Zero guarantee BYU makes the cut.
blackshirts
9/11/17 8:52pm
RE: So sick of Independence!!!
jkccoug
9/11/17 8:56pm
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BYUMizzou
9/11/17 8:56pm
RE: This is the type of post where I'd normally reply by questioning your
jkccoug
9/11/17 9:05pm
Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:31pm
RE: Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.
jkccoug
9/11/17 9:33pm
Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:10pm
RE: Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.
jkccoug
9/11/17 9:12pm
You'd think such an old guy could come up with something constructive. Not
blackshirts
9/11/17 9:22pm
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BYUMizzou
9/12/17 7:03am
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jkccoug
9/11/17 9:17pm
Multiple p5 fake games every season vs 1 potential fake game against a p5 every 3 or 4 years...yeah no thanks.
VACOUGFAN
9/11/17 9:24pm
I'm right there with you. I supported independence because it was supposed to be
mm73
9/11/17 9:25pm
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jkccoug
9/11/17 9:32pm
Most BYU fans would agree with you if Utah wasn't in the PAC12
Jericho
9/11/17 9:50pm
Patience...we're in a down period. ALL teams have them, regardless of P5, G5, or independence...patience...
Refugee
9/11/17 10:09pm
Patdience! Tell me what makes you think it could be better. 1 WIN against P5
blackshirts
9/16/17 9:26pm
Seems like patience is all we have at this point. I'm as down about this as anyone.
Refugee
9/16/17 10:13pm
RE: So sick of Independence!!!
VegasCoug83
9/11/17 10:27pm
Man you got me... "silly comment" tough guy!
blackshirts
9/11/17 10:40pm
even the fan base is divided. Indy is only fun if byu wins. So far that has not
idcougarfan
9/11/17 10:38pm
Many of the remaining games are MWC lately as well so it's like we're in the MWC
franklyvulgar
9/12/17 12:13am
Conference play is only fun if BYU wins.
HootnHoller
9/12/17 11:49am
I'm afraid we're stuck with independence. Not for the short term, but
BleedCougarBlue2
9/11/17 10:46pm
You're Not Wrong.
DeepCCoug
9/11/17 11:01pm
We'll stay indy as long as we have an ESPN contract
wapiti
9/12/17 12:38am
We wouldn't get the kind of recruits Boise gets if we jumped back to the mwc
JONBOY
9/12/17 6:53am
If byu was to ever join a G5 conference...
Mountainlion
9/12/17 7:16am
I'm just glad this is being discussed. A lot of false notions flying around
Blue streak
9/12/17 7:35am
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BYUMizzou
9/12/17 7:51am
Yes but it is actually still unequal because of 3rd tier rights
jkccoug
9/12/17 8:05am
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BYUMizzou
9/12/17 8:12am
That's true.
jkccoug
9/12/17 8:57am
You lost me "better path to home games."
Eddie
9/13/17 9:13am
I'd much prefer the AAC
AxelDC
9/12/17 7:36am
I agree the AAC would be better. However, the WCC needs to go. That league is
blackshirts
9/12/17 8:04am
Sure wish we could win that terrible league. Even 2nd is unlikely next year.
HootnHoller
9/13/17 8:54am
Olympic sports in expanded AAC with football affiliation
boscatar
9/12/17 9:09am
So sick of losing.
BDAWG
9/12/17 7:46am
MWC despises us, and we feel the same right back. AAC or Indy for me
youngster
9/12/17 8:24am
10 years ago BYU was 11-2 and in a conference. I was living
King of Y
9/12/17 10:06pm
This point is pointless
troutmaster13
9/13/17 5:58am
BYU would need special ESPN treatment like Boise (and would likely get it)
boscatar
9/13/17 9:06am
That was the MWC and their lame TV station
AxelDC
9/13/17 9:04am
Exactly. BYU was keeping the MTN alive
King of Y
9/13/17 2:29pm
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