You're Not Wrong.

Sep 11, 2017
11:01:45pm

DeepCCoug Contributor

You're Not Wrong.

BYU is definitely going to be on the receiving end of some of that opprobrium and it can be expected to increase with every passing year. I expect that some teams just won't play us for that reason already.

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DeepCCoug

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So sick of Independence!!!

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:17pm

you don't have a good grasp of the economics of indy vs g5. Indy>>>>>>>>>g5

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:18pm

is it just about money?

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:20pm

It's about competing at the highest level.

LiveCoug

9/11/17 8:20pm

Who are we competing against?

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:23pm

UMASS, Army, and Notre Dame for independent supremacy...obviously.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:24pm

Says who? The October and November schedule?

Cougarfan777

9/11/17 8:23pm

That was the goal. If anything, our level of competitiveness has dipped.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:23pm

UNLV,SDSU,WYO,UTEP,NewMex,CSU, etc. every stinking year....no thanks

HootnHoller

9/11/17 9:11pm

With three NCG, like Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado it'd be about the same.

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:06pm

I have fond memories of winning conference championships

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 8:15am

Amen

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:50am

I have fond memories of the LV Bowl and the LV Bowl, oh and the LV Bowl....

blackshirts

9/12/17 2:07pm

Once you get past the big 7 or 8 bowls, it really doesn't matter which ones you go to.

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 3:55pm

MWC Bowl Ties, highest ranked team from AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC & Sun Belt = NY6

blackshirts

9/12/17 2:16pm

Yay. We get to be an also ran.

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 3:56pm

a problem for me about these teams is that most of them are in cities I don't want to visit ever again.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 10:29pm

SDSU, WYO, NM, and CSU would be very competitive games.

brejol

9/12/17 1:07am

Unfortunately, you are right.

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:43am

If we need more money for coaches, facilities, upgrades, recruiting, etc forcing ourselves to earn less of it won't help

mulletino

9/11/17 8:22pm

nope... but without money you can't survive.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:22pm

Until ESPN comes back and doesn't resign BYU to its contract.

Mathew

9/11/17 8:23pm

They will. We are still a bargain to them.

LiveCoug

9/11/17 8:24pm

That expires next year

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:58am

I thought it was set to expire after next season but has already had the option

BYUFam1

9/12/17 8:28am

Do you have a grasp that BYU has beat 1 P5 winning team while independent.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:24pm

Would that be different if we were MWC?

Ragnar Danneskjold

9/11/17 9:19pm

Based on the BSU model, yes. Maybe every five years BYU has a good chance at a

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:59pm

Seriously?

Eddie

9/12/17 8:44am

Couldn't BYU get a Boise-type contract where it gets a lot more games on TV

Scratch

9/11/17 8:46pm

i would also like to know the answer to this

fi3sta

9/11/17 9:32pm

BYU receives multiples more than BSU.

finnish_blue

9/11/17 11:41pm

It looks like Boise gets about $3M. So BYU gets a little bit more. Certainly not

Scratch

9/12/17 12:04am

About double most years

jkccoug

9/12/17 7:57am

You're way off. BYU itself has reported about $4.8M/year for all TV and radio.

Scratch

9/12/17 9:35am

I hate to say that you are wrong, but you are wrong.

finnish_blue

9/12/17 9:41am

So was BYU not being forthcoming in its financial disclosures?

Scratch

9/12/17 9:42am

No, every year is different. We get paid more depending on where the games are

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:02am

That information is for 2014. In 2014, BYU had 3 home games on ESPN, 1

Scratch

9/12/17 10:10am

There has been escalation since then

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:12am

That's not what you said before, and I've never seen anything in any of the

Scratch

9/12/17 10:13am

Not close. It is by game, not "year." The per game amounts are as listed.

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:01am

Until ESPN pulls the plug

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:57am

ESPN already renewed the deal when it didn't have to

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:42am

I generally agree with that, although it varies somewhat from year to year.

Scratch

9/12/17 9:40am

I don't think ESPN has as much leverage now as there was at the beginning

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:09am

There will absolutely be others, it just depends on how willing BYU is to go

Scratch

9/12/17 10:12am

The going rate for the top 50 games for P5 conferences is about $3.5-5M per game

boscatar

9/12/17 1:38pm

I'd take it. The P5 schedule is great unless your team is G5 level.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:20pm

A lil patience, dude. It's our coaching staff's 2nd year. They've been

mantis mutu

9/11/17 8:38pm

They should get at least a couple of years to learn their jobs

Cougrrrs Roll

9/12/17 1:51am

We wouldn't have fared nearly so well last season if we'd faced the likes of LSU

mantis mutu

9/12/17 9:52am

Nooo...what we need is a deal with AAC for games at end of year with bowl tie ins. that's all

SouthernBlueBlood

9/11/17 8:22pm

Id take that over the current plan any day!

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:28pm

Who wouldn't? But that's a very different scenario than joining a G5.

mantis mutu

9/11/17 10:05pm

Why is that better than AAC membership?

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:59am

Like having your program & media rights dictated by a quack Commish & TV deal?

mantis mutu

9/11/17 8:23pm

MWC Sucked, But We Aren't Competitive at This Level

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 10:11pm

LSU isn't just P5. It's a top SEC team, bud. If you don't want the chance to

mantis mutu

9/11/17 10:16pm

Maybe I'm Expecting Too Much...

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 10:47pm

Well what's "coming out right in the end" amount to you, exactly?

mantis mutu

9/11/17 11:55pm

What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs

TNT

9/11/17 8:23pm

They have medicine for that nowadays.

Holy Driver

9/11/17 8:28pm

RE: What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs

jkccoug

9/11/17 8:50pm

Ouch

Tsisquan

9/11/17 11:37pm

I agree on multiple points but acknowledge $ is probably better Indy

troutmaster13

9/11/17 8:24pm

Only situation I would think about a g5 conference is if we could keep our espn deal.

Deleted

9/11/17 8:28pm

Going back to a G5 is officially giving up. It's one of the few things BYU could

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:35pm

Tom knows that donations dry up if we go back to G5. It's a big part of the economic picture.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:37pm

nonsense

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:39pm

ask Tom/Robbie/Chad what they think would happen to the amount of donations. I'd bet they'd be cut in half.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:10pm

Probably true

TNT

9/11/17 9:16pm

You act like BYU is in a P5 conference.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:36pm

I have keen awareness of the differences between P5 and Indy.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:38pm

Oh so you agree, if you're not in a P5 conferene you're not P5.

blackshirts

9/12/17 7:10am

How old are you? Honestly.

VACOUGFAN

9/13/17 10:05am

Two deletes... Don't get angry! Go color.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:43pm

I don't understand your post. Are you saying I'm angry and deleted 2 posts? If so, neither claim is true.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:51pm

That one was actually meant for another. lo siento

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:26pm

bye Felicia

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:37pm

I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:46pm

RE: I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:51pm

Thankfully, Holmoe's not a moron.

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:53pm

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Abe Froman

9/11/17 9:25pm

Are you new to BYUdom? BYU sports is seen as a missionary extension

TNT

9/11/17 9:07pm

Im sure the program would survive without your support.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:54pm

And Indy is so prestigious!! Indy is G5 basically.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:47pm

To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now

BeardedSpock

9/11/17 8:58pm

False. After one or two losses, BYU is not talked about.

Mathew

9/11/17 9:07pm

Agreed the only way BYU is in the national conversation is to be ranked

franklyvulgar

9/11/17 11:56pm

BYU is HOSTING the #10 team in the country on Satruday, on ABC

boscatar

9/12/17 8:09am

With it being early in the season byu could schedule this game out of conference

troutmaster13

9/12/17 8:58am

RE: To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now

CougarPower_1984

9/12/17 8:24am

Not true. THIS year, we play 6 MWC schools. It's an anomaly.

boscatar

9/12/17 8:33am

But each year has has more then a few cupcakes

troutmaster13

9/12/17 8:59am

Indy gets us on TV significantly more often and it gets us significantly more $. Those metrics mater.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:12pm

how much of the additional exposure lead to the 'Dirty BYU Team' label??

Blue streak

9/12/17 7:26am

I think this narrative is false. How many boise state games are not on tv

troutmaster13

9/12/17 9:29am

BYU is G5

AxelDC

9/12/17 8:01am

Right the ship until the Big 12 implodes in 2025 & create a best of the rest

bigbossbyu

9/11/17 8:46pm

Zero guarantee BYU makes the cut.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:52pm

RE: So sick of Independence!!!

jkccoug

9/11/17 8:56pm

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BYUMizzou

9/11/17 8:56pm

RE: This is the type of post where I'd normally reply by questioning your

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:05pm

Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:31pm

RE: Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:33pm

Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:10pm

RE: Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:12pm

You'd think such an old guy could come up with something constructive. Not

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:22pm

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 7:03am

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jkccoug

9/11/17 9:17pm

Multiple p5 fake games every season vs 1 potential fake game against a p5 every 3 or 4 years...yeah no thanks.

VACOUGFAN

9/11/17 9:24pm

I'm right there with you. I supported independence because it was supposed to be

mm73

9/11/17 9:25pm

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jkccoug

9/11/17 9:32pm

Most BYU fans would agree with you if Utah wasn't in the PAC12

Jericho

9/11/17 9:50pm

Patience...we're in a down period. ALL teams have them, regardless of P5, G5, or independence...patience...

Refugee

9/11/17 10:09pm

Patdience! Tell me what makes you think it could be better. 1 WIN against P5

blackshirts

9/16/17 9:26pm

Seems like patience is all we have at this point. I'm as down about this as anyone.

Refugee

9/16/17 10:13pm

RE: So sick of Independence!!!

VegasCoug83

9/11/17 10:27pm

Man you got me... "silly comment" tough guy!

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:40pm

even the fan base is divided. Indy is only fun if byu wins. So far that has not

idcougarfan

9/11/17 10:38pm

Many of the remaining games are MWC lately as well so it's like we're in the MWC

franklyvulgar

9/12/17 12:13am

Conference play is only fun if BYU wins.

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:49am

I'm afraid we're stuck with independence. Not for the short term, but

BleedCougarBlue2

9/11/17 10:46pm

You're Not Wrong.

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 11:01pm

We'll stay indy as long as we have an ESPN contract

wapiti

9/12/17 12:38am

We wouldn't get the kind of recruits Boise gets if we jumped back to the mwc

JONBOY

9/12/17 6:53am

If byu was to ever join a G5 conference...

Mountainlion

9/12/17 7:16am

I'm just glad this is being discussed. A lot of false notions flying around

Blue streak

9/12/17 7:35am

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 7:51am

Yes but it is actually still unequal because of 3rd tier rights

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:05am

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 8:12am

That's true.

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:57am

You lost me "better path to home games."

Eddie

9/13/17 9:13am

I'd much prefer the AAC

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:36am

I agree the AAC would be better. However, the WCC needs to go. That league is

blackshirts

9/12/17 8:04am

Sure wish we could win that terrible league. Even 2nd is unlikely next year.

HootnHoller

9/13/17 8:54am

Olympic sports in expanded AAC with football affiliation

boscatar

9/12/17 9:09am

So sick of losing.

BDAWG

9/12/17 7:46am

MWC despises us, and we feel the same right back. AAC or Indy for me

youngster

9/12/17 8:24am

10 years ago BYU was 11-2 and in a conference. I was living

King of Y

9/12/17 10:06pm

This point is pointless

troutmaster13

9/13/17 5:58am

BYU would need special ESPN treatment like Boise (and would likely get it)

boscatar

9/13/17 9:06am

That was the MWC and their lame TV station

AxelDC

9/13/17 9:04am

Exactly. BYU was keeping the MTN alive

King of Y

9/13/17 2:29pm

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