I have keen awareness of the differences between P5 and Indy.

you don't have a good grasp of the economics of indy vs g5. Indy>>>>>>>>>g5

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:18pm

is it just about money?

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:20pm

It's about competing at the highest level.

LiveCoug

9/11/17 8:20pm

Who are we competing against?

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:23pm

UMASS, Army, and Notre Dame for independent supremacy...obviously.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:24pm

Says who? The October and November schedule?

Cougarfan777

9/11/17 8:23pm

That was the goal. If anything, our level of competitiveness has dipped.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:23pm

UNLV,SDSU,WYO,UTEP,NewMex,CSU, etc. every stinking year....no thanks

HootnHoller

9/11/17 9:11pm

With three NCG, like Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado it'd be about the same.

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:06pm

I have fond memories of winning conference championships

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 8:15am

Amen

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:50am

I have fond memories of the LV Bowl and the LV Bowl, oh and the LV Bowl....

blackshirts

9/12/17 2:07pm

Once you get past the big 7 or 8 bowls, it really doesn't matter which ones you go to.

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 3:55pm

MWC Bowl Ties, highest ranked team from AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC & Sun Belt = NY6

blackshirts

9/12/17 2:16pm

Yay. We get to be an also ran.

VACOUGFAN

9/12/17 3:56pm

a problem for me about these teams is that most of them are in cities I don't want to visit ever again.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 10:29pm

SDSU, WYO, NM, and CSU would be very competitive games.

brejol

9/12/17 1:07am

Unfortunately, you are right.

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:43am

If we need more money for coaches, facilities, upgrades, recruiting, etc forcing ourselves to earn less of it won't help

mulletino

9/11/17 8:22pm

nope... but without money you can't survive.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:22pm

Until ESPN comes back and doesn't resign BYU to its contract.

Mathew

9/11/17 8:23pm

They will. We are still a bargain to them.

LiveCoug

9/11/17 8:24pm

That expires next year

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:58am

I thought it was set to expire after next season but has already had the option

BYUFam1

9/12/17 8:28am

Do you have a grasp that BYU has beat 1 P5 winning team while independent.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:24pm

Would that be different if we were MWC?

Ragnar Danneskjold

9/11/17 9:19pm

Based on the BSU model, yes. Maybe every five years BYU has a good chance at a

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:59pm

Seriously?

Eddie

9/12/17 8:44am

Couldn't BYU get a Boise-type contract where it gets a lot more games on TV

Scratch

9/11/17 8:46pm

i would also like to know the answer to this

fi3sta

9/11/17 9:32pm

BYU receives multiples more than BSU.

finnish_blue

9/11/17 11:41pm

It looks like Boise gets about $3M. So BYU gets a little bit more. Certainly not

Scratch

9/12/17 12:04am

About double most years

jkccoug

9/12/17 7:57am

You're way off. BYU itself has reported about $4.8M/year for all TV and radio.

Scratch

9/12/17 9:35am

I hate to say that you are wrong, but you are wrong.

finnish_blue

9/12/17 9:41am

So was BYU not being forthcoming in its financial disclosures?

Scratch

9/12/17 9:42am

No, every year is different. We get paid more depending on where the games are

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:02am

That information is for 2014. In 2014, BYU had 3 home games on ESPN, 1

Scratch

9/12/17 10:10am

There has been escalation since then

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:12am

That's not what you said before, and I've never seen anything in any of the

Scratch

9/12/17 10:13am

Not close. It is by game, not "year." The per game amounts are as listed.

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:01am

Until ESPN pulls the plug

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:57am

ESPN already renewed the deal when it didn't have to

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:42am

I generally agree with that, although it varies somewhat from year to year.

Scratch

9/12/17 9:40am

I don't think ESPN has as much leverage now as there was at the beginning

jkccoug

9/12/17 10:09am

There will absolutely be others, it just depends on how willing BYU is to go

Scratch

9/12/17 10:12am

The going rate for the top 50 games for P5 conferences is about $3.5-5M per game

boscatar

9/12/17 1:38pm

I'd take it. The P5 schedule is great unless your team is G5 level.

Ocho Cuatro

9/11/17 8:20pm

A lil patience, dude. It's our coaching staff's 2nd year. They've been

mantis mutu

9/11/17 8:38pm

They should get at least a couple of years to learn their jobs

Cougrrrs Roll

9/12/17 1:51am

We wouldn't have fared nearly so well last season if we'd faced the likes of LSU

mantis mutu

9/12/17 9:52am

Nooo...what we need is a deal with AAC for games at end of year with bowl tie ins. that's all

SouthernBlueBlood

9/11/17 8:22pm

Id take that over the current plan any day!

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:28pm

Who wouldn't? But that's a very different scenario than joining a G5.

mantis mutu

9/11/17 10:05pm

Why is that better than AAC membership?

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:59am

Like having your program & media rights dictated by a quack Commish & TV deal?

mantis mutu

9/11/17 8:23pm

MWC Sucked, But We Aren't Competitive at This Level

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 10:11pm

LSU isn't just P5. It's a top SEC team, bud. If you don't want the chance to

mantis mutu

9/11/17 10:16pm

Maybe I'm Expecting Too Much...

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 10:47pm

Well what's "coming out right in the end" amount to you, exactly?

mantis mutu

9/11/17 11:55pm

What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs

TNT

9/11/17 8:23pm

They have medicine for that nowadays.

Holy Driver

9/11/17 8:28pm

RE: What's the alternative? TNT would say AAC but that just gets him angry BMs

jkccoug

9/11/17 8:50pm

Ouch

Tsisquan

9/11/17 11:37pm

I agree on multiple points but acknowledge $ is probably better Indy

troutmaster13

9/11/17 8:24pm

Only situation I would think about a g5 conference is if we could keep our espn deal.

Deleted

9/11/17 8:28pm

Going back to a G5 is officially giving up. It's one of the few things BYU could

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:35pm

Tom knows that donations dry up if we go back to G5. It's a big part of the economic picture.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 8:37pm

nonsense

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:39pm

ask Tom/Robbie/Chad what they think would happen to the amount of donations. I'd bet they'd be cut in half.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:10pm

Probably true

TNT

9/11/17 9:16pm

You act like BYU is in a P5 conference.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:36pm

I have keen awareness of the differences between P5 and Indy.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:38pm

Oh so you agree, if you're not in a P5 conferene you're not P5.

blackshirts

9/12/17 7:10am

How old are you? Honestly.

VACOUGFAN

9/13/17 10:05am

Two deletes... Don't get angry! Go color.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:43pm

I don't understand your post. Are you saying I'm angry and deleted 2 posts? If so, neither claim is true.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:51pm

That one was actually meant for another. lo siento

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:26pm

bye Felicia

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:37pm

I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:46pm

RE: I can't support a program that officially admits they have no interest in

Cougarealist

9/11/17 8:51pm

Thankfully, Holmoe's not a moron.

bluescholar

9/11/17 8:53pm

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Abe Froman

9/11/17 9:25pm

Are you new to BYUdom? BYU sports is seen as a missionary extension

TNT

9/11/17 9:07pm

Im sure the program would survive without your support.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:54pm

And Indy is so prestigious!! Indy is G5 basically.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:47pm

To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now

BeardedSpock

9/11/17 8:58pm

False. After one or two losses, BYU is not talked about.

Mathew

9/11/17 9:07pm

Agreed the only way BYU is in the national conversation is to be ranked

franklyvulgar

9/11/17 11:56pm

BYU is HOSTING the #10 team in the country on Satruday, on ABC

boscatar

9/12/17 8:09am

With it being early in the season byu could schedule this game out of conference

troutmaster13

9/12/17 8:58am

RE: To a certain extent. But it keeps us in the national conversation for now

CougarPower_1984

9/12/17 8:24am

Not true. THIS year, we play 6 MWC schools. It's an anomaly.

boscatar

9/12/17 8:33am

But each year has has more then a few cupcakes

troutmaster13

9/12/17 8:59am

Indy gets us on TV significantly more often and it gets us significantly more $. Those metrics mater.

HarlemCoug

9/11/17 9:12pm

how much of the additional exposure lead to the 'Dirty BYU Team' label??

Blue streak

9/12/17 7:26am

I think this narrative is false. How many boise state games are not on tv

troutmaster13

9/12/17 9:29am

BYU is G5

AxelDC

9/12/17 8:01am

Right the ship until the Big 12 implodes in 2025 & create a best of the rest

bigbossbyu

9/11/17 8:46pm

Zero guarantee BYU makes the cut.

blackshirts

9/11/17 8:52pm

RE: So sick of Independence!!!

jkccoug

9/11/17 8:56pm

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BYUMizzou

9/11/17 8:56pm

RE: This is the type of post where I'd normally reply by questioning your

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:05pm

Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:31pm

RE: Good boy you learned gifs. Next we work on blocks.

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:33pm

Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:10pm

RE: Judging from your stupid post, I'm sure my "offspring" are better.

jkccoug

9/11/17 9:12pm

You'd think such an old guy could come up with something constructive. Not

blackshirts

9/11/17 9:22pm

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 7:03am

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jkccoug

9/11/17 9:17pm

Multiple p5 fake games every season vs 1 potential fake game against a p5 every 3 or 4 years...yeah no thanks.

VACOUGFAN

9/11/17 9:24pm

I'm right there with you. I supported independence because it was supposed to be

mm73

9/11/17 9:25pm

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jkccoug

9/11/17 9:32pm

Most BYU fans would agree with you if Utah wasn't in the PAC12

Jericho

9/11/17 9:50pm

Patience...we're in a down period. ALL teams have them, regardless of P5, G5, or independence...patience...

Refugee

9/11/17 10:09pm

Patdience! Tell me what makes you think it could be better. 1 WIN against P5

blackshirts

9/16/17 9:26pm

Seems like patience is all we have at this point. I'm as down about this as anyone.

Refugee

9/16/17 10:13pm

RE: So sick of Independence!!!

VegasCoug83

9/11/17 10:27pm

Man you got me... "silly comment" tough guy!

blackshirts

9/11/17 10:40pm

even the fan base is divided. Indy is only fun if byu wins. So far that has not

idcougarfan

9/11/17 10:38pm

Many of the remaining games are MWC lately as well so it's like we're in the MWC

franklyvulgar

9/12/17 12:13am

Conference play is only fun if BYU wins.

HootnHoller

9/12/17 11:49am

I'm afraid we're stuck with independence. Not for the short term, but

BleedCougarBlue2

9/11/17 10:46pm

You're Not Wrong.

DeepCCoug

9/11/17 11:01pm

We'll stay indy as long as we have an ESPN contract

wapiti

9/12/17 12:38am

We wouldn't get the kind of recruits Boise gets if we jumped back to the mwc

JONBOY

9/12/17 6:53am

If byu was to ever join a G5 conference...

Mountainlion

9/12/17 7:16am

I'm just glad this is being discussed. A lot of false notions flying around

Blue streak

9/12/17 7:35am

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 7:51am

Yes but it is actually still unequal because of 3rd tier rights

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:05am

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BYUMizzou

9/12/17 8:12am

That's true.

jkccoug

9/12/17 8:57am

You lost me "better path to home games."

Eddie

9/13/17 9:13am

I'd much prefer the AAC

AxelDC

9/12/17 7:36am

I agree the AAC would be better. However, the WCC needs to go. That league is

blackshirts

9/12/17 8:04am

Sure wish we could win that terrible league. Even 2nd is unlikely next year.

HootnHoller

9/13/17 8:54am

Olympic sports in expanded AAC with football affiliation

boscatar

9/12/17 9:09am

So sick of losing.

BDAWG

9/12/17 7:46am

MWC despises us, and we feel the same right back. AAC or Indy for me

youngster

9/12/17 8:24am

10 years ago BYU was 11-2 and in a conference. I was living

King of Y

9/12/17 10:06pm

This point is pointless

troutmaster13

9/13/17 5:58am

BYU would need special ESPN treatment like Boise (and would likely get it)

boscatar

9/13/17 9:06am

That was the MWC and their lame TV station

AxelDC

9/13/17 9:04am

Exactly. BYU was keeping the MTN alive

King of Y

9/13/17 2:29pm

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