this is pretty consistent with what I have been saying

Sep 19, 2017
10:31:04pm

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The argument for staying Indy for financial reasons is not so strong. The big money comes from donors and ticket sales. Winning is the most important factor in keeping that money coming. BYU has a very loyal alumni base.

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Financial summary, direct from BYU

mikecito

9/19/17 7:43pm

Pie charts should be illegal

Martin Van Nostrand

9/19/17 7:45pm

In all fairness, this isn't a pie chart. It's a donut chart.

mikecito

9/19/17 7:56pm

RE: In all fairness, this isn't a pie chart. It's a donut chart.

Ocho Cuatro

9/19/17 11:23pm

Should they use a Cougar Tail chart?

fan_byu

9/20/17 7:42am

Lol. Earned more from sports camps than from tv/radio.

mulletino

9/19/17 7:47pm

Wasn't our tv contract near 20 million? Man those camps

1984coug

9/19/17 7:48pm

Notice we bring in 8% on sports camps but spend 9% on sports camps...

mikecito

9/19/17 7:52pm

Camps are a recruiting tool (evaluate talent) and its supplimentary income

BostonCougar

9/19/17 7:57pm

There are different camps, some are for recruiting and some are for instruction/

BYU Grounds

9/20/17 11:39am

Probably pays off in the long run

Ulysses14

9/19/17 7:59pm

just to clarify. these numbers show that the camps are profitable (and, as noted, they are great for recruiting).

HarlemCoug

9/19/17 8:11pm

But expenditures are likely less than revenues so they could still be

cougarfann888

9/19/17 8:58pm

Yes, total expenses were $54M

Everyman

9/19/17 9:05pm

Corrected total expenses numbers.

Everyman

9/19/17 10:37pm

Where did the $54M figure come from?

mm73

9/20/17 5:49am

From BYU’s report to the Dept of Education. Link

Everyman

9/20/17 6:30am

8% of expenses does not equal 8% of revenue. So 8% of revenue could actually be

andrewg3

9/20/17 9:10am

Well hopefully Revenue > Expense

YardTime

9/20/17 10:45am

But they lost money on sports camps too.

CharlottesvilleCoug

9/20/17 8:43am

No they didn't see above

cougarfann888

9/20/17 8:47am

Interesting. I'd be interested to see how some of these percentages compare to

lbmango

9/19/17 7:50pm

Where is tithing?

jholling

9/19/17 7:53pm

Subsidized tuition

CallingDingo

9/19/17 8:20pm

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HarlemCoug

9/19/17 8:23pm

Thats a lot of subsidy from Tuition Allocation. Not sure too many people know

Tango

9/19/17 8:48pm

isn't that to cover the athletic scholarships?

Nat Gas Man

9/19/17 10:50pm

When students earn semester credits within the athletic department, then tuition

tisdaplace

9/20/17 9:28am

The big thing missing which I think is wrong is consessions

Nat Gas Man

9/19/17 7:58pm

amen!

warp

9/20/17 6:44am

They have 5% Other. So it was less than 5%.

thecthdox

9/20/17 8:44am

It's speculated byu doesn't get concession money that all that profit goes to

cougarfann888

9/20/17 8:48am

this is correct athletics subsidizes many departments

Nat Gas Man

9/20/17 10:38am

Which it shouldn't

BYUSwoop

9/20/17 7:35pm

Imagine how an increase in TV revenue would change that chart

1-Wing RCAF

9/19/17 7:58pm

It’s in line with the percentages mailed out to CC members,

Everyman

9/19/17 8:01pm

I thought TV would be closer to $8-10 million

SpudCoug

9/19/17 8:02pm

Where did you come up with that number?

BlueFrog

9/19/17 8:05pm

Speculation on ESPN contract

SpudCoug

9/19/17 8:17pm

Yeah that was a big myth. People were talking about 1m-1.5m per game and it just

BlueFrog

9/19/17 8:38pm

That’s why TH said that BYU could not keep up

Everyman

9/19/17 8:30pm

2 years ago total tv/radio income was ~5m

BlueFrog

9/19/17 8:03pm

That would seem to indicate about 4.5 mil in TV/radio revenue, right?

Solomon Levi

9/19/17 8:03pm

Conference revenue is also tv/radio (from bball) mostly

jkccoug

9/19/17 8:23pm

with the big increase in season tickets I'm sure it will once again be the big

Nat Gas Man

9/19/17 8:04pm

1% other tickets. Yet, how much does it cost to run those other sports? Got

Cougarfan777

9/19/17 8:08pm

Where is the Donations from for profit arm of church category?

kotacoug

9/19/17 8:11pm

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Paco

9/19/17 8:22pm

14% from tuition and 7% from TV/radio? I didn't realize we were subsidizing

insidebyu

9/19/17 8:26pm

the school isn't cutting a check, if that's what you mean. Not that I'd have a

Bostonblue

9/19/17 8:56pm

This is different than a typical school's tuition subsidy.

jrj84105

9/19/17 9:24pm

I'd assume they just don't charge student athletes tuition

Bostonblue

9/19/17 9:36pm

It's more than that. They report 5.2M in tuition to the department of education

jrj84105

9/20/17 10:30am

are you trying to imply that there is something other than a "tuition subsidy"

Bostonblue

9/20/17 10:41am

No, don't think anyone is lying, but it's unclear what "tuition allocation"

Scratch

9/20/17 10:56am

Wait, did I ask you?

Bostonblue

9/20/17 11:01am

Sorry, I didn't realize on a message board that only the person to whom a

Scratch

9/20/17 11:39am

note that licensed royaltys

Richw

9/19/17 8:38pm

gear and equipment is only an expense? BYU has a nike contract right?

Lance71

9/19/17 8:42pm

I think we are a tier 2 or tier 3 Nike school, which means that

Iman23

9/19/17 9:00pm

Probably falls under corporate sponsors

cougarfann888

9/19/17 9:01pm

Am I the only one surprised we spent more on hosting/food than recruiting?

SL12

9/19/17 10:19pm

this is pretty consistent with what I have been saying

kosmokramer

9/19/17 10:31pm

I stand corrected on many of my assumptions.

mudpupper

9/19/17 11:51pm

It would hurt in the ability to compete. Big boy ball versus small ball.

BYUSwoop

9/20/17 8:35am

Donor money would plummet if we went back to a g5.

HarlemCoug

9/20/17 9:36am

Donor money will plummet if we don't start winning.

kosmokramer

9/20/17 1:03pm

The sad thing is if BYU invested just a small percentage in BYU Football as they did in City Creek it would be

TyPower2016

9/19/17 11:17pm

those guys are sports fans, but the world is a big place. U.S. is 4.4% of world's population

cwilke1

9/19/17 11:45pm

BYU invested in City Creek? Sorry, I don't believe you.

Acorn

9/20/17 6:45am

The church payed for the whole thing!

Blue for Life

9/20/17 8:40am

He's saying the Church paid for it not BYU and that they are different/separate

Martin Van Nostrand

9/20/17 9:43am

BYU and City Creek are both owned by the Church but BYU doesnt own City Creek.

LiquidUte

9/20/17 12:18pm

The for profit arm of the church invested in City Creek. Once BYU becomes

Bostonblue

9/20/17 12:27pm

You fandom is dependent on a small clique of octogenarians? Weird.

Plato

9/20/17 10:05am

Intriguing to think how much leverage we have now with our TV contract renewal

SpudCoug

9/20/17 12:09am

So what's our ESPN contract really worth? $3m a year? really?!!

CougLuv1

9/20/17 8:31am

The expenses were $54M; the revenue was $62M

Everyman

9/20/17 8:41am

So, ESPN contract brought in about $4.4M last year? That's consistent with the

boscatar

9/20/17 1:04pm

Not quite, because there's other TV and radio money involved as well.

Scratch

9/20/17 1:15pm

My guess is that it falls under football revenue

Everyman

9/20/17 1:25pm

It is still better than the MWC by at least double.

Solomon Levi

9/20/17 9:35am

Yes, but not much better than Boise, almost a push. So the question is how much

Scratch

9/20/17 9:45am

Donor money would plummet if we went back to a g5.

HarlemCoug

9/20/17 9:38am

10% Financial Aid; 33% Salary expenses. Should be a crime.

Plato

9/20/17 10:04am

Notice only 7% comes from TV and radio. Thats all sports.

Count Cougar

9/20/17 10:16am

The recruiting budget number really surprises me.

wcj99

9/20/17 11:02am

TV money is higher than the 7.5%

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