RE: Why BYU as Indi is hurting the program and why I will be deactivating my

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Nov 24, 2017
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Why BYU as Indi is hurting the program and why I will be deactivating my account

Turbine

11/24/17 6:05pm

Because you don't like us?

Zaphod

11/24/17 6:09pm

Our coaches will work

Zaphod

11/24/17 6:12pm

I may actually miss you Zaphod. Now I'm killing account before i respond to

Turbine

11/24/17 6:23pm

100% agree with everything you said... Spot on

Coug

11/24/17 6:10pm

^^ How you know you are in trouble.

kccougar

11/25/17 11:02am

RE: Why BYU as Indi is hurting the program and why I will be deactivating my account

Fetchin Fetcher

11/24/17 6:14pm

Nobody. Cares. Who. The. MWC. Champ. Is.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/24/17 6:15pm

Period.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/24/17 6:15pm

More people will care about the MWC champ than the lower eight teams in the PAC 12.

Brisco

11/24/17 6:30pm

This isn't even close to true.

kotacoug

11/24/17 6:33pm

Okay, do you know who finished 5th or 6th in the PAC last year? Nope. Why? Because nobody cares.

Brisco

11/24/17 7:32pm

Haha you're in lala land, more people care about lower level P5

kotacoug

11/24/17 7:34pm

Nor do I know who is in the running for mwc champ.

Little Britches

11/24/17 8:17pm

Most likely Boise State. That would be my guess

AF Cougar

11/24/17 9:13pm

They didn’t even make the CCG

JamRock

11/25/17 10:33am

Wrong...we’re undefeated in conference play

BSUconvert

11/25/17 10:55am

I thought he meant last year

JamRock

11/25/17 5:40pm

Nope

Adrielle

11/25/17 12:29pm

PERIOD! Tell me about all this national respect BYU has. How BYU and Indy are

blackshirts

11/25/17 12:00am

There's a search function. Go ahead and show me all the times I hinted that Indy was = P5.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 12:32am

Exactly... and slinking back to a non P5 conference would be devastating

kotacoug

11/24/17 6:23pm

Um no, independence is not "higher" than G5

coldcoug

11/24/17 8:58pm

It's embarrassing to want to drop down to a G5 so you can feel good about

kotacoug

11/24/17 10:14pm

We wouldn't be "dropping down" to G5. We ARE G5.

Metallicat

11/24/17 11:20pm

Exactly these arrogant and blind Indy lovers think BYU Is ND.

blackshirts

11/24/17 11:40pm

Hate to burst your bubble

coldcoug

11/25/17 9:31am

We are playing more P5 teams. Do some research.

kotacoug

11/25/17 12:07pm

1-13 against winning P5 teams.

blackshirts

11/25/17 1:10pm

And.... again you make no point. I understand we are losing to P5 the point is

kotacoug

11/25/17 2:37pm

And I’ll take that EVERY time over 13-0 against high school teams

Extra Biscuits

11/25/17 3:02pm

Exactly.... it's the only way we can improve and get to the next level.

kotacoug

11/25/17 3:07pm

You mean those HS teams smashing your...

blackshirts

11/25/17 5:15pm

We need BYU-Idaho to get a football team for fans who enjoy being on top of a

Extra Biscuits

11/25/17 10:38pm

Wow 1 more p5 game than a mwc team

coldcoug

11/26/17 10:09am

This🖒

kahuna

11/24/17 11:40pm

Image in your mind. Not nationally. Oh, and recruiting is far from P5 level.

blackshirts

11/25/17 12:03am

nobody is calling for a return to MWC

Cougarealist

11/24/17 6:52pm

What's the difference? Nothing. Nothing is the answer.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/24/17 7:01pm

oh boy, you are so very wrong

Cougarealist

11/24/17 7:07pm

Sure. I'll ask around at work Monday and see if anybody can name some AAC teams...

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 12:01am

I've actually agreed with this before and argued this point and to a certain

ColonelMustard

11/24/17 7:47pm

Nobody. Cares. About. Byu...except any school who is in a conference byu wants

idcougarfan

11/24/17 7:56pm

Even fewer care what BYU does

AxelDC

11/24/17 8:24pm

BYU has been irrelevant in football and men's basketball since the move to Indy

CougarinOZ

11/24/17 8:44pm

WCC champ is regularly sweet 16 and last year played for Natty. That’s relevant

Coogar2

11/24/17 9:37pm

BYU has never won the WCC. I said WE are irrelevant.

CougarinOZ

11/25/17 7:41am

Yes GU is relevant. BYU is not or the WCC overall.

blackshirts

11/25/17 8:02am

BYU is usually the 3rd place team

AxelDC

11/25/17 6:22pm

Nobody cares about indy PERIOD! What you think BYU is going 12-0 and the final

blackshirts

11/24/17 9:22pm

In a setting where BYU could easily go 12-0 In the mwc, you're easily wrong.

ToasterChive

11/24/17 10:15pm

Yeah. How many times did we go undefeated in the MWC?

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/24/17 11:55pm

Seems like we are playing with better players these days.

ToasterChive

11/25/17 7:50am

Which Cougars are you watching, BYU or Wash St? This talent is terrible.

blackshirts

11/25/17 11:26am

I think we could very well follow the BSU model.

ToasterChive

11/25/17 4:48pm

So who is it that cares about Independence outside of BYU?

Coug

11/24/17 10:49pm

Why is that relevant to the discussion?

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/24/17 11:54pm

It's relevant because we don't survive as an independent..m

Coug

11/25/17 1:02am

True! This Indy failure has also given teams like UCF and USF the upper hand

blackshirts

11/25/17 7:33am

If we go G5, we have given up. Might as well go div 2 and join USD's football league.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 8:15am

That is a stupid response. Given up lol!.. given up what our 115th ranking.

blackshirts

11/25/17 8:39am

I don't live in Utah and never interact with Utah fans.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 1:18pm

But you do think that Indy is = to P5 status or equivalent?

Coug

11/25/17 3:04pm

Of course not. But for BYU, P5 > Indy > G5

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 5:47pm

Given up what?

Coug

11/25/17 11:29am

The fact is, G5 = Div 2.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 1:20pm

You will not take those blue goggles off. INDY is 3 of the worst

blackshirts

11/25/17 1:30pm

G5 has more access to a NYD bowl than BYU...

Coug

11/25/17 2:38pm

Unless it is a playoff spot, which bowl you are in means crap.

Ragnar Danneskjold

11/25/17 5:49pm

The crystal ball says you're in for a miserable CF lifetime. BYU is NEVER NEVER

blackshirts

11/25/17 6:13pm

If UCF can't get within a playoff spot...

Coug

11/26/17 8:39am

Nobody.Cares.About.A.One-Loss.BYU.Team.

Metallicat

11/25/17 11:07am

I am 100% certain that a lot of people would care about a one-loss BYU team.

crazY

11/25/17 11:17am

But our team would still be watching football on TV after New Year's Eve

Metallicat

11/25/17 11:23am

At least 80% of bowl teams will be watching football after New year's.

crazY

11/25/17 12:26pm

But not the highest ranked G5 team. Even with 1-2 losses.

Metallicat

11/25/17 12:54pm

If BYU was 11-1 this season you wouldn’t be ripping on indy.

bluebrotha

11/24/17 6:21pm

But Indy is why we are not 11-1. Why is this hard to figure out? You think we

Cougarfan777

11/24/17 6:38pm

What makes you think that will happen in a G5 conference? We never made a NY6 game when we were in the MWC. How does

monkeycowboy

11/24/17 6:44pm

We could have been 13-0 last season with Sr Taysom and Jamaal if not for coaches

Reasonable1

11/24/17 7:20pm

Right, as soon as we go back to the MWC we'll be 11-1 every year. Wha??

ArchbishopMitty

11/24/17 8:38pm

3-10, ranked 115th is so much better!

blackshirts

11/25/17 10:07am

they'll NEVER be 11-1 or undefeated as Indy

Cougarealist

11/24/17 6:53pm

Humm, when Indy started BYU was the easy leader for non-P5 teams in respect and

blackshirts

11/25/17 7:59am

Something's gotta give. If we're going to stick with Indy because it apparently

Metallicat

11/25/17 11:19am

How does Independence make it "unnecessarily hard on the coaches to recruit?"

fan_byu

11/24/17 6:23pm

Exactly. It's a load of crap. Independence is a selling point but if you

kotacoug

11/24/17 6:29pm

It's not a selling point

shakarocks

11/24/17 9:27pm

A selling point, Bah bah!! Hey 4 star recruits come to BYU, your season is

blackshirts

11/24/17 9:43pm

Baaahaa hey four star recruit.... hey look we're in a G5 conference. Yeh!

kotacoug

11/24/17 10:09pm

UCF, Houston,USF, Navy, BSU, Memphis, Toledo, CSU, Florida Atlantic...

blackshirts

11/25/17 12:19am

RE: Exactly. It's a load of crap. Independence is a selling point but if you

municoug

11/24/17 11:12pm

The athletic kids that want a chance at a conference championship or a national

FightingCoug12

11/24/17 6:37pm

There are athletic kids who aren't widely coveted by P5's

shakarocks

11/24/17 9:28pm

#TRUTH boom

kahuna

11/24/17 11:35pm

Don’t deactivate man.

Gerald-DeGroot

11/24/17 6:24pm

Since Indy it's been a slow roll to the bottom of relevancy. Amazing that we

Cougarfan777

11/24/17 6:47pm

Lol a member of our basketball conference made the Title game last year. A team we beat BTW. We just need to not lose to

monkeycowboy

11/24/17 6:49pm

Dang. TNT wants to watch Star Trek now

TNT

11/24/17 6:54pm

So, going back to the MWC will improve recruiting?

VegasCoug83

11/24/17 6:54pm

Recruits don't like 3-9 teams to start. BYU isnt ND, they can't compete at the

blackshirts

11/24/17 8:51pm

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, BRONCO HAS NEVER ADVOCATED FOR G5!!!!!

Bostonblue

11/24/17 7:02pm

Thank you, I’m listening.

Beetdiggercoug

11/24/17 7:13pm

G5 is an upgrade at this point. That is if BYU can win at the G5 level.

blackshirts

11/24/17 8:20pm

An upgrade in what way? Schedule? Not really. $? Not even close.

BYUHgrad

11/24/17 8:47pm

Exactly... lost of these G5 programs only play one P5 game a year

kotacoug

11/24/17 10:12pm

Your issue seems to be losing. Independence isn't the cause of that, in fact

kotacoug

11/24/17 10:11pm

And less money for assistant coaches...which is a bigger issue

BYUHgrad

11/24/17 11:48pm

This is understandable.

El Careeb

11/24/17 7:15pm

Wish you would stay because I agree with you.

cowhide

11/24/17 7:41pm

I totally disagree with him on this issue but wish he would stay he's a good po

kahuna

11/24/17 11:38pm

I don’t think MWC or AAC are options anymore.

Gigo

11/24/17 8:17pm

If BYU were to express interest in returning to the MWC

BSUconvert

11/25/17 11:13am

There is ZERO interest in returning to the MWC

Stalwart Man

11/25/17 12:03pm

DILLY DILLY!!! AMEN!!!!

blackshirts

11/24/17 8:17pm

Nobody cares

InkedCougar84

11/24/17 8:25pm

Lololol!

LaVellIfIKnow

11/24/17 8:43pm

I can’t figure out Grand goodbyes.

Florwood

11/24/17 9:08pm

You forgot to use "toxic cesspool" and "mods turn a blind eye" in your goodbye

STLcoug

11/24/17 9:13pm

I've finally come to it. I agree that we should leave indy and go to the AAC.

Nagurski

11/24/17 9:26pm

Who are you gonna kick out? They already have 14.

Gigo

11/24/17 10:05pm

I am sure you can find one other team to make 16

Nagurski

11/24/17 11:20pm

If BYU went undefeated the Cougs could play another undefeated team like Wisky.

Coogar2

11/24/17 9:35pm

Wish I could agree but every player I've spoken with says no to MWC and G5

whiteninja

11/24/17 10:14pm

How many of the Bball players said no to the MWC or AAC and yes to WCC? Crickets

Cougarfan777

11/24/17 11:23pm

Frankly basket ball is not relevant football

kahuna

11/24/17 11:47pm

I find I am much happier on CB if I turn off the Football category - and sometime Basketball - esp after losses

Zenoch

11/24/17 10:36pm

Works with the team? As in a ball boy right?

Turnpike Lane

11/24/17 11:12pm

You had me till you blamed independence. Indy is not the reason you're unhappy.

Y2k

11/24/17 11:31pm

Some times I agree with you some times I don't

kahuna

11/24/17 11:33pm

RE: Why BYU as Indi is hurting the program and why I will be deactivating my

Abe Froman

11/24/17 11:50pm

This is unbelievable.

Adrielle

11/25/17 5:48am

Yes, all yewts please cancel your accounts.

AZcougLawyer

11/25/17 9:07am

Disappointed you deactivated. Enjoyed your info and posts

cube3_cougar

11/25/17 10:10am

God Speed

Coug98

11/25/17 10:51am

Indy isn't working out; join the AAC while they still want BYU

AxelDC

11/25/17 6:28pm

What facts indicate AAC wants us?

coldcoug

11/26/17 8:19am

Welcome to the Hotel California, you can check out any time

Archaea

11/26/17 8:59am

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