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Is this just a subtle way to suggest Notre Dame is not P5?
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Harbaugh's proposal for an expanded playoff
Florwood
11/6/19 9:00am
Is Harbaugh slowly morphing into Joe Paterno? That photo
Blueto
11/6/19 9:02am
Honestly, it's more Woody Hayes than JoePa.
chago04
11/6/19 9:20am
He really does look more like Woody and he even has the temper for it
monkeycowboy
11/6/19 9:21am
Top non-P5 should be included only if the playoff is this large. But giving them a top 5 seed is dumb
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 9:04am
Have you seen some of the P5 conference champions over the years?
CaliWG
11/6/19 9:15am
There's no such thing as an elite G5 program.
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 9:32am
BYU has 2 wins over ranked teams this year. What does that really mean?
CaliWG
11/6/19 9:46am
I understand the argument. I just disagree. It sucks but G5 schedules are just horrible compared to P5
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 9:57am
Yet for years the ACC produced champs that were ranked #20. They deserve a bid?
CaliWG
11/6/19 10:15am
This is also a good point. I think autobids in general are terrible. I am very opposed
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 10:26am
The fact that there is an argument about “deserves” is the problem.
mvtoro
11/6/19 10:27am
Not G5-- non-P5. I.e., Notre Dame.
All-American
11/6/19 9:54am
Like I said - it depends on the language of the agreement
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 9:58am
I've been pushing for this for years-- except 12, not 11.
All-American
11/6/19 9:08am
Push harder
m0resn0w
11/6/19 9:13am
Exactly me too, except I think you haven to play
PortlandCoug
11/6/19 9:21am
Would byes be too much of an advantage?
4th and Niner
11/6/19 9:19am
That’s the point. The best teams earn byes to reward them for being the best
DieHarder
11/6/19 9:22am
Meh. I don’t want to see Bama playing UCF after a bye
4th and Niner
11/6/19 9:23am
"UCF would never win" tell that to Auburn
UberDeek
11/6/19 1:26pm
Byes are stupid in playoffs. No byes. 16 teams.
mokelembembe
11/6/19 9:20am
This is my choice but I don't see it happening because of the change the big
idacoug
11/6/19 9:24am
NFL does it. MLB does it. It work well for college football's structure
Doogal McCougar
11/6/19 12:49pm
Conf. championship games are kind of dumb if you think about it
idacoug
11/6/19 9:23am
This is better:
Jeremy
11/6/19 9:28am
Last sentence is exactly right.
mvtoro
11/6/19 9:45am
No, this is a waste of time.
TCuz
11/6/19 11:37am
Highest Sagarin ranked teams from each G5 conference:
TCuz
11/6/19 11:44am
Wow, no thanks
Odysseus
11/6/19 11:49am
The alternative is Alabama gets a bye. Barely any different. Let them play.
All-American
11/6/19 12:21pm
No, the alternative is we can expand the playoff a bit and let much more deserving teams in
TCuz
11/6/19 12:35pm
This is maybe the worst proposal I’ve seen
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 11:57am
Yeah, who wants a completely fair system that treats all teams the same!
UberDeek
11/6/19 1:32pm
But that’s not fair at all. We give a 4 loss sun belt team automatic access to a playoff after their toughest game is
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 2:22pm
There would need to be some sort of play-in scenario
CaliWG
11/6/19 2:39pm
Sure. But that isn't anything close to Jeremy's proposal
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 3:33pm
Acceptable to me too. But G5 needs to have its own play in system to produce one undefeated G5 champion.
mvtoro
11/6/19 5:15pm
UMBC beat Virginia
UberDeek
11/6/19 3:32pm
In basketball? That is a completely different situation. College football ≠ college basketball
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 3:34pm
Exactly, because basketball has the better tournament
UberDeek
11/6/19 3:57pm
No, please no.
garyfan
11/6/19 3:04pm
That's a lot of postseason games. 17 game season for the teams in the final.
Kugmo
11/6/19 3:34pm
IMO a true champion has to win it only by winning. No arbitrary rankings.
mvtoro
11/6/19 9:59am
Find me the team (from past seasons) that wouldn’t be included in
garyfan
11/6/19 3:07pm
Yeah, I agree that this system would be very good at doing at making sure teams were eliminated by losses only. But it
mvtoro
11/6/19 5:09pm
Even if ND had been ahead of UCF, UCF might have gotten
garyfan
11/6/19 5:30pm
UCF was outside the top 11 this system would have taken at the end of the regular season.
mvtoro
11/6/19 5:36pm
I’m just saying they might not have been outside the top-11 if
garyfan
11/6/19 5:45pm
I'll take ANYTHING over the current format. Dumb for only 4 teams to get a shot
CObluezone
11/6/19 10:33am
Not long ago only 2 teams had a shot. #glasshalffull #patience
garyfan
11/6/19 3:08pm
Iowa's head coach's statement made me rethink the expansion
Yiowa
11/6/19 11:19am
I know. We dont need a true champion in sports. There are lots of participation
Ozymandias
11/6/19 11:55am
You're missing the point. When the playoff is big enough
Yiowa
11/6/19 12:07pm
Huh? You play the game to win and, while there can be varying levels of
Ozymandias
11/6/19 12:17pm
Like I said, I'm not against expanding it and I'm certainly not against
Yiowa
11/6/19 12:29pm
Wholeheartedly agree. I think the playoff is bad for college football. I hate it.
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 11:57am
Is the NCAA tournament bad for college basketball?
Cosmodiar
11/6/19 12:01pm
No. Different beasts.
YIsForBrigham
11/6/19 12:27pm
If it’s fed by conference championships rather than rankings, then the regular season is just as important to the end.
mvtoro
11/6/19 12:13pm
There should be no benefit for winning tiny conferences that don't matter.
TCuz
11/6/19 12:22pm
More important: There should be no arbitrary benefit awarded by anything other than wins and losses.
mvtoro
11/6/19 12:46pm
I don't agree with that either. Alabama won (and deserved) the 2017 National Championship
TCuz
11/6/19 12:52pm
And if these rules were in place, how would that have been unfair to Alabama?
mvtoro
11/6/19 12:59pm
UCF still has their argument. They were undefeated and beat the team that beat Alabama.
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:05pm
UCF had no argument. Sorry.
TCuz
11/6/19 1:11pm
Auburn’s starters didnt beat them. What did the computers say would happen?
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:15pm
50+? UCF ended up 5th. 2008 Utah ended 2nd after beating Bama. How many examples do you need before you stop assuming
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:51pm
It shouldn’t be about “awarding” or “deserving”. It needs to be about 1 thing: WINNING
mvtoro
11/6/19 12:49pm
It's not about only winning because schedules people play are so inherently unequal that it's impossible
TCuz
11/6/19 1:02pm
You still want it to be a judgement on “how your year was”. And a “reward” based on that.
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:10pm
Yes, it is judgmental. Absolutely. And that's better than your idea, even if not perfect.
TCuz
11/6/19 1:12pm
Cool. Let’s just go back to polls then and stop pretending. Just don’t call
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:16pm
I would love one extra game. But more deserving teams, most likely from P5 conferences.
TCuz
11/6/19 1:19pm
Who you *think* is more deserving. So for you, adding one more P5 that already has 2 losses would be more fair and is
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:44pm
Yes.
TCuz
11/6/19 1:51pm
Here’s the real problem. Your way doesn’t necessarily reward the best team (Which we could prove on the field). It
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:46pm
It does both.
TCuz
11/6/19 1:52pm
Cuz you assume the team with IYO the best resume is the best. The literal logical-definition of the fallacy of “begging
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:59pm
16 teams all conf champs. It works for March Madness
BYU Grounds
11/6/19 12:16pm
Too many football games for too many teams.
Doogal McCougar
11/6/19 12:49pm
It works just fine in FCS, why is FBS different?
Cosmodiar
11/6/19 1:04pm
Especially now that NCAA is essentially conceding that the best FBS players are essentially professionals anyway.
mvtoro
11/6/19 1:12pm
Not bad. But, adjust so the P5 are each guaranteed a quarterfinal NY6 bowl game
Doogal McCougar
11/6/19 12:47pm
Is this just a subtle way to suggest Notre Dame is not P5?
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