Cuz you assume the team with IYO the best resume is the best. The literal logical-definition of the fallacy of “begging

Nov 6, 2019
1:59:20pm

mvtoro Scrub

the question”.

My opinion is that they are the best because of my opinion.

Was 2008 Utah better or worse than the Alabama team they beat to finish undefeated and 2nd without an opportunity to prove they could be #1?

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Harbaugh's proposal for an expanded playoff

Florwood

11/6/19 9:00am

Is Harbaugh slowly morphing into Joe Paterno? That photo

Blueto

11/6/19 9:02am

Honestly, it's more Woody Hayes than JoePa.

chago04

11/6/19 9:20am

He really does look more like Woody and he even has the temper for it

monkeycowboy

11/6/19 9:21am

Top non-P5 should be included only if the playoff is this large. But giving them a top 5 seed is dumb

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 9:04am

Have you seen some of the P5 conference champions over the years?

CaliWG

11/6/19 9:15am

There's no such thing as an elite G5 program.

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 9:32am

BYU has 2 wins over ranked teams this year. What does that really mean?

CaliWG

11/6/19 9:46am

I understand the argument. I just disagree. It sucks but G5 schedules are just horrible compared to P5

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 9:57am

Yet for years the ACC produced champs that were ranked #20. They deserve a bid?

CaliWG

11/6/19 10:15am

This is also a good point. I think autobids in general are terrible. I am very opposed

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 10:26am

The fact that there is an argument about “deserves” is the problem.

mvtoro

11/6/19 10:27am

Not G5-- non-P5. I.e., Notre Dame.

All-American

11/6/19 9:54am

Like I said - it depends on the language of the agreement

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 9:58am

I've been pushing for this for years-- except 12, not 11.

All-American

11/6/19 9:08am

Push harder

m0resn0w

11/6/19 9:13am

Exactly me too, except I think you haven to play

PortlandCoug

11/6/19 9:21am

Would byes be too much of an advantage?

4th and Niner

11/6/19 9:19am

That’s the point. The best teams earn byes to reward them for being the best

DieHarder

11/6/19 9:22am

Meh. I don’t want to see Bama playing UCF after a bye

4th and Niner

11/6/19 9:23am

"UCF would never win" tell that to Auburn

UberDeek

11/6/19 1:26pm

Byes are stupid in playoffs. No byes. 16 teams.

mokelembembe

11/6/19 9:20am

This is my choice but I don't see it happening because of the change the big

idacoug

11/6/19 9:24am

NFL does it. MLB does it. It work well for college football's structure

Doogal McCougar

11/6/19 12:49pm

Conf. championship games are kind of dumb if you think about it

idacoug

11/6/19 9:23am

This is better:

Jeremy

11/6/19 9:28am

Last sentence is exactly right.

mvtoro

11/6/19 9:45am

No, this is a waste of time.

TCuz

11/6/19 11:37am

Highest Sagarin ranked teams from each G5 conference:

TCuz

11/6/19 11:44am

Wow, no thanks

Odysseus

11/6/19 11:49am

The alternative is Alabama gets a bye. Barely any different. Let them play.

All-American

11/6/19 12:21pm

No, the alternative is we can expand the playoff a bit and let much more deserving teams in

TCuz

11/6/19 12:35pm

This is maybe the worst proposal I’ve seen

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 11:57am

Yeah, who wants a completely fair system that treats all teams the same!

UberDeek

11/6/19 1:32pm

But that’s not fair at all. We give a 4 loss sun belt team automatic access to a playoff after their toughest game is

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 2:22pm

There would need to be some sort of play-in scenario

CaliWG

11/6/19 2:39pm

Sure. But that isn't anything close to Jeremy's proposal

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 3:33pm

Acceptable to me too. But G5 needs to have its own play in system to produce one undefeated G5 champion.

mvtoro

11/6/19 5:15pm

UMBC beat Virginia

UberDeek

11/6/19 3:32pm

In basketball? That is a completely different situation. College football ≠ college basketball

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 3:34pm

Exactly, because basketball has the better tournament

UberDeek

11/6/19 3:57pm

No, please no.

garyfan

11/6/19 3:04pm

That's a lot of postseason games. 17 game season for the teams in the final.

Kugmo

11/6/19 3:34pm

IMO a true champion has to win it only by winning. No arbitrary rankings.

mvtoro

11/6/19 9:59am

Find me the team (from past seasons) that wouldn’t be included in

garyfan

11/6/19 3:07pm

Yeah, I agree that this system would be very good at doing at making sure teams were eliminated by losses only. But it

mvtoro

11/6/19 5:09pm

Even if ND had been ahead of UCF, UCF might have gotten

garyfan

11/6/19 5:30pm

UCF was outside the top 11 this system would have taken at the end of the regular season.

mvtoro

11/6/19 5:36pm

I’m just saying they might not have been outside the top-11 if

garyfan

11/6/19 5:45pm

I'll take ANYTHING over the current format. Dumb for only 4 teams to get a shot

CObluezone

11/6/19 10:33am

Not long ago only 2 teams had a shot. #glasshalffull #patience

garyfan

11/6/19 3:08pm

Iowa's head coach's statement made me rethink the expansion

Yiowa

11/6/19 11:19am

I know. We dont need a true champion in sports. There are lots of participation

Ozymandias

11/6/19 11:55am

You're missing the point. When the playoff is big enough

Yiowa

11/6/19 12:07pm

Huh? You play the game to win and, while there can be varying levels of

Ozymandias

11/6/19 12:17pm

Like I said, I'm not against expanding it and I'm certainly not against

Yiowa

11/6/19 12:29pm

Wholeheartedly agree. I think the playoff is bad for college football. I hate it.

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 11:57am

Is the NCAA tournament bad for college basketball?

Cosmodiar

11/6/19 12:01pm

No. Different beasts.

YIsForBrigham

11/6/19 12:27pm

If it’s fed by conference championships rather than rankings, then the regular season is just as important to the end.

mvtoro

11/6/19 12:13pm

There should be no benefit for winning tiny conferences that don't matter.

TCuz

11/6/19 12:22pm

More important: There should be no arbitrary benefit awarded by anything other than wins and losses.

mvtoro

11/6/19 12:46pm

I don't agree with that either. Alabama won (and deserved) the 2017 National Championship

TCuz

11/6/19 12:52pm

And if these rules were in place, how would that have been unfair to Alabama?

mvtoro

11/6/19 12:59pm

UCF still has their argument. They were undefeated and beat the team that beat Alabama.

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:05pm

UCF had no argument. Sorry.

TCuz

11/6/19 1:11pm

Auburn’s starters didnt beat them. What did the computers say would happen?

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:15pm

50+? UCF ended up 5th. 2008 Utah ended 2nd after beating Bama. How many examples do you need before you stop assuming

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:51pm

It shouldn’t be about “awarding” or “deserving”. It needs to be about 1 thing: WINNING

mvtoro

11/6/19 12:49pm

It's not about only winning because schedules people play are so inherently unequal that it's impossible

TCuz

11/6/19 1:02pm

You still want it to be a judgement on “how your year was”. And a “reward” based on that.

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:10pm

Yes, it is judgmental. Absolutely. And that's better than your idea, even if not perfect.

TCuz

11/6/19 1:12pm

Cool. Let’s just go back to polls then and stop pretending. Just don’t call

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:16pm

I would love one extra game. But more deserving teams, most likely from P5 conferences.

TCuz

11/6/19 1:19pm

Who you *think* is more deserving. So for you, adding one more P5 that already has 2 losses would be more fair and is

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:44pm

Yes.

TCuz

11/6/19 1:51pm

Here’s the real problem. Your way doesn’t necessarily reward the best team (Which we could prove on the field). It

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:46pm

It does both.

TCuz

11/6/19 1:52pm

Cuz you assume the team with IYO the best resume is the best. The literal logical-definition of the fallacy of “begging

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:59pm

16 teams all conf champs. It works for March Madness

BYU Grounds

11/6/19 12:16pm

Too many football games for too many teams.

Doogal McCougar

11/6/19 12:49pm

It works just fine in FCS, why is FBS different?

Cosmodiar

11/6/19 1:04pm

Especially now that NCAA is essentially conceding that the best FBS players are essentially professionals anyway.

mvtoro

11/6/19 1:12pm

Not bad. But, adjust so the P5 are each guaranteed a quarterfinal NY6 bowl game

Doogal McCougar

11/6/19 12:47pm

Is this just a subtle way to suggest Notre Dame is not P5?

(Private)

11/6/19 9:05pm

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