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May 21, 2019
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stgeorgecougar
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And all the smart people are supposedly at that school 🤷♂️
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An important piece of the revenue puzzle that was left out of yesterday's
BYUMizzou
5/21/19 9:30am
AND... since our program doesn't have any debt, we avoid large principle and interest payments each year.
HarlemCoug
5/21/19 9:38am
Some forget how significant that is.
Everyman
5/21/19 9:50am
Cal has an enormous debt because of stadium renovations. It looks great, but
Benfica1
5/21/19 9:56am
And all the smart people are supposedly at that school 🤷♂️
stgeorgecougar
5/21/19 5:28pm
As of 2017, Utah was spending $6.5 million per year on debt service
BYUMizzou
5/21/19 9:58am
how much on former offensive coordinators?
Cougarclaw
5/21/19 10:05am
and former basketball coaches 🙂
Cougar76
5/21/19 10:13am
I know we're not paying any former OCs
displacedute
5/21/19 10:57am
This raises an interesting question. WHo is paying for the renovation of LES?
Scratch
5/21/19 12:13pm
Generally it's donors that pay for these kind of things
ManicBlue
5/21/19 12:35pm
Utah usually does some of both, donations plus some bonding.
Scratch
5/21/19 12:47pm
Donors. An example being how long it took to get the bball facility started.
kccougar
5/21/19 12:59pm
I was told Mexico would pay for it
Hill4Heisman
5/21/19 3:02pm
They are just paying for improvements to the wall.
CougarThug
5/21/19 10:55pm
Any projects that happen at BYU are talked about, planned for
Heinz57
5/21/19 3:03pm
AND ... since BYU typically has an endowment set up to fund any maintenance and
ManicBlue
5/21/19 12:42pm
So the real difference between BYU & Utah's total revenue is a subsidy?
CaliWG
5/21/19 9:46am
Yes. Despite getting handed a check for $33 million from the P12, Utah still
BYUMizzou
5/21/19 9:49am
And even then BYU makes more money if you factor in Utah's debt payments
sunjieming
5/21/19 10:57am
Boom. Wish more people could understand this.
LegitCoug
5/21/19 9:51am
Are we certain 100% of BYU’s AD revenue stays with athletics?
SlantRoute
5/21/19 10:01am
This is what TNT would assume
TNT
5/21/19 10:26am
I would really hope much of that money goes elsewhere for all schools
Pretorian
5/21/19 4:20pm
Wonder what BYU would do with an extra $10M-$20M of annual revenue?
Dr T-bone
5/21/19 10:04am
You could hire better assistant coaches/coordinators
ThugMormon
5/21/19 5:13pm
They can do that now with $10.5M surplus, they choose not to.
NorCal_Coug
5/21/19 7:58pm
Probably true. Sad
ThugMormon
5/22/19 5:15pm
Have a $20.5M budget surplus instead of a $10.5M one?
NorCal_Coug
5/21/19 7:57pm
So what's your conclusion that BYU doesn't get a subsidy based on? Do you know
Scratch
5/21/19 10:18am
Heck, even Ryan Teeples, a massive BYU homer in an article lauding BYU's
Scratch
5/21/19 10:20am
Money from BYUTV is directly based on revenue generated from BYU athletics
SlantRoute
5/21/19 10:32am
Are you saying that BYUtv is legitimately generating like $20M per year for
Scratch
5/21/19 10:47am
Just looked at the numbers, and here's part of the problem. Two years ago, BYU
Scratch
5/21/19 10:59am
BYUTV broadcasts football, b-ball, soccer, vball, baseball, gymnastics, etc.
SlantRoute
5/21/19 11:07am
You really think that generates close to $20M of revenue? So why don't all of
Scratch
5/21/19 11:56am
You think other schools could pull off what BYU pulls off?
SlantRoute
5/21/19 12:12pm
I bet BYUTV bleeds money... it might have a "global reach" but if they were
relic
5/21/19 2:00pm
They don’t bleed money. You’d be surprised
SlantRoute
5/21/19 6:13pm
Texas is not losing money...the LHN & ESPN may be but TX gets their $20M
BYUFam1
5/21/19 8:08pm
Easily. Other schools don't have interest in those sports like BYU does
Gustav
5/21/19 12:13pm
You think BYU has the most interest in those sports? More than Texas or Notre
Scratch
5/21/19 12:16pm
Deep breaths Scratch... Deep breaths.
IceBlue
5/21/19 12:22pm
BYU is more fiscally responsible than Texas
SlantRoute
5/21/19 12:25pm
Correct. Raise your hand if you’ve watched LHN. Now BYUTV.
SlantRoute
5/21/19 12:27pm
Another reason most schools do not do it is because they granted their rights
BYUFam1
5/21/19 8:13pm
Notre Dame and Texas women's soccer attendance combined is only two-thirds BYU's
Gustav
5/21/19 12:34pm
So do you think BYUTV is generating tens of millions of dollars through those
Scratch
5/21/19 12:49pm
Money adds up
Gustav
5/21/19 12:59pm
I suspect the fact that the numbers fly in the face of reason is bugging him.
displacedute
5/21/19 1:11pm
BYU making almost as much money off of non-revenue sports as it makes off of
Scratch
5/21/19 1:12pm
Of cpurse they make a lot off them. BYU has a TV station
Gustav
5/21/19 1:15pm
RE: Of cpurse they make a lot off them. BYU has a TV station
displacedute
5/21/19 2:10pm
It's OK. Women's soccer and volleyball are just more valuable than football and
Scratch
5/21/19 2:18pm
The PAC12 Network makes $127M per year revenue. You are arguing BYUtv makes none
Richbyu
5/21/19 2:48pm
That's revenue. I'm sure BYUTV has some revenue thanks to Rhodes Rolls.
Scratch
5/21/19 3:00pm
BYUtv is outside of funding for BYU sports
Heinz57
5/21/19 3:06pm
LHN contract is $295M for 20 years plus payment of estimated $26M/yr in
Gustav
5/21/19 3:40pm
So are the P12 media right payouts a subsidy to Utah?
BYUFam1
5/21/19 8:20pm
Here’s the thing...
DocPimp
6/22/19 9:11pm
Is this a real question or a question based off a U of U education?
YbeatsU
6/24/19 1:08pm
Doesn't the PAC12 Network make $127M in revenue? And we have Utes arguing that
Richbyu
5/21/19 2:45pm
RE: Doesn't the PAC12 Network make $127M in revenue? And we have Utes arguing
displacedute
5/21/19 2:46pm
I Repeat. The PAC12 Network makes $127M per year. BYUtv can easily make $20M.
Richbyu
5/21/19 2:49pm
My favorite thing is how half of the people insist that BYUTV must generate tens
Scratch
5/21/19 3:36pm
We can look at the PAC12 Network as an indicator... PAC12 gets $28,065,116 from
Richbyu
5/21/19 4:04pm
I'm saying BYU gets like $4.5M for TV and radio rights. Now let's pretend that
Scratch
5/21/19 4:15pm
We are going on BYU's actual accounting disclosure.... Not LDS Ute conjecture.
Richbyu
5/21/19 4:30pm
LOL. We know that BYU makes about $4.5M/year for all of its media rights.
Scratch
5/21/19 4:45pm
We both share a passion about BYU athletics. Ask an accountant for help.
Richbyu
5/21/19 5:05pm
Uh, yeah, those are among the disclosures that I've been discussing.
Scratch
5/21/19 5:15pm
Ask an accountant to help you understand what they are saying.
Richbyu
5/21/19 7:03pm
PS, are you still doing records requests for EVERY BYU football contract?
Richbyu
5/21/19 5:07pm
I never requested all of them, nor have I requested any for many years ever
Scratch
5/21/19 5:18pm
And by the way, over the years I’ve requested lots of documents from lots of
Scratch
5/21/19 5:25pm
It's a bit odd that Ute fan makes so many information requests pertaining to BYU
Richbyu
5/21/19 7:04pm
I don't have the history that you do...are you being serious in this comment?
SwisshQiumi
5/21/19 7:53pm
If so...Scratch loses a lot of points for impartiality...
SwisshQiumi
5/21/19 7:54pm
Yes. Scratch is obsessed with BYU like few others.
kccougar
5/21/19 10:10pm
RE: Of cpurse they make a lot off them. BYU has a TV station
Gustav
5/21/19 3:29pm
Scratch head 'asplode
ArchbishopMitty
5/21/19 1:21pm
NO.. look at the sponsors those advertising in it... most of it is pretty
relic
5/21/19 3:36pm
Are you including the separate streaming advertising?
Richbyu
5/21/19 4:09pm
That's a good point.. I wonder if those local advertisers know they Might not be
relic
5/21/19 6:05pm
You are bringing up really good points that deserve answers
Let's Play Two
5/21/19 12:17pm
Understood, but that's as to BYUTV, not the BYU AD. The point is that the
Scratch
5/21/19 12:38pm
BYUTV is much more widely distributed than the LHN.
Superman21
5/21/19 12:17pm
If Rhodes Rolls hooked up with Amazon to bring you piping hot, fresh buns....ca-Ching
Q-grr
5/21/19 12:26pm
BYUtv and BYU School of Broadcast Journalism have very large endownments,
Rocketman
5/21/19 7:07pm
Teeples was just guessing. That's the only article and only place that anyone
BYUMizzou
5/21/19 10:55am
I know, let's have the State of Utah audit BYU and we can find out for sure.
displacedute
5/21/19 10:59am
If Utah didn't want to be subject to state audit, it can stop taking state funds
BYUMizzou
5/21/19 11:02am
That doesn't say what you claim it says. And taking state funds has nothing to
Scratch
5/21/19 11:04am
I don't have any problem with Utah being periodically audited.
displacedute
5/21/19 11:11am
far from pointless
yahtzee
5/21/19 11:46am
It was driven by non-BYU fans
Gustav
5/21/19 11:49am
It’s your tax money...
DocPimp
6/22/19 9:16pm
Someone so sad
LaVellIfIKnow
5/21/19 12:59pm
Teeples couldn't have looked up a subsidy on that website because it doesn't
Scratch
5/21/19 11:03am
Here is the official statement from the school about BYU athletics being self funded.
HarlemCoug
5/21/19 11:00am
All BYU tuition is funded by tithing, but that's not specific to athletics.
displacedute
5/21/19 11:06am
BYU itself reports receiving a massive "tuition allocation." While it's not 100%
Scratch
5/21/19 12:02pm
RE: BYU itself reports receiving a massive "tuition allocation." While it's not
SUAVO
5/21/19 8:15pm
Revenue from BYUtv is revenue, it’s a part of BYU...
icecougar
5/21/19 12:02pm
Doesn't BYU have 2 recent billionaire boosters?
Richbyu
5/21/19 2:42pm
This is great research. I wonder when the Trib will write this up.
Idahofallsblue
5/21/19 10:20am
Those MWC and AAC amounts can't be sustainable.
StantonMac
5/21/19 10:40am
Are you sure the subsidy is included in revenue? Also, looks silly to want to go
Odysseus
5/21/19 11:21am
Mountain West! Mountain West! Mountain West!
Q-grr
5/21/19 11:29am
Wrong. BYU allocates at least 7 Million a year in 'Tuition Allocation'.
Tango
5/21/19 11:45am
And... Athletics makes no money from BYUTV. Just Exposure
Tango
5/21/19 11:47am
I'd bet it was very little.. if anything...
relic
5/21/19 3:40pm
Independence for now is financially sustainable but I don’t think it is..
icecougar
5/21/19 11:47am
Home schedules from this year on in general appear much better than "lackluster"
JackStack
5/21/19 12:58pm
A tiered bowl agreement would be a real benefit and an incentive...
icecougar
6/23/19 2:17pm
Well, sounds like we urinated farther again. 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
BOOHOLE
5/21/19 12:39pm
given that the lds church subsidizes scholarship as well as the cost of
DJROSS
5/21/19 1:30pm
Great info. Where does "tuition allocation" (17% in 2015) fall in that
Troy McClure
5/21/19 1:41pm
RE: Great info. Where does "tuition allocation" (17% in 2015) fall in that
Scratch
5/21/19 1:49pm
My guess is that's CPA speak for athletic, Grad assist. and depend.scholarships.
cdr88
5/21/19 2:27pm
Great info. I'm sure Utes will argue that tithing subsidies of tuition are de facto subsidies to athletics since
Bob Vance
5/21/19 5:47pm
As are taxpayer subsidies for state schools
baldcoug74
5/21/19 6:51pm
Correct. BYU gets a BILLION $ in tithing $ annually. Money is fungible and
ALUF 1990
5/21/19 7:52pm
Your Ute education probably didn’t prepare you to understand the economics behind the decision. Don’t beat yourself up
YIsForBrigham
5/21/19 7:55pm
Seriously. Do you think wealthy members should get a HUGE tithing subsidy for
ALUF 1990
5/22/19 12:05pm
Should rich kids get a tax subsidy to attend University of Utah?
Richbyu
5/22/19 3:42pm
Tax subsidy is pennies compared to tithing billion. That is why BYU costs less
ALUF 1990
5/22/19 11:19pm
Iink?
yahtzee
5/23/19 8:42am
lies
HarlemCoug
5/21/19 9:33pm
If it really blows your mind I don't know what to say.
kccougar
5/21/19 10:14pm
Link?
yahtzee
5/21/19 10:54pm
Sign me up for that rate of return!
provofan
5/22/19 12:15am
Considering how financially successful the FB program and how scrooge-like the
Pretorian
5/22/19 5:46am
LOLOLOL. Utes are so dumb.
Sid Vicious
5/22/19 9:18am
how embarrassing is it that we can't beat the school where they teach this
riboflavin
5/22/19 9:49am
Very. At first I thought he was being facetious. But that's embarrassing.
Unibro
5/22/19 10:10am
Thank you, Judas. John 12:4-6
TheLoanArranger
5/22/19 11:59am
Nice piece of info
Cougarpride
5/21/19 7:49pm
Why do Utah and CU have such high subsidies compared to other pac12 schools?
GOR
5/21/19 8:07pm
they suck
JackStack
5/21/19 8:32pm
For whatever reason, they can't charge students enough money to cover their costs
Bob Vance
5/21/19 9:19pm
Doesn’t Cal operate in the red big time?
andrewg3
5/21/19 11:39pm
Short answer, yes. Long answer was in a linked article up top.
cougstyle
5/21/19 11:44pm
Quick story to illustrate a simple point...
DocPimp
5/21/19 11:48pm
Clearly a doc and not an MBA.
kccougar
5/22/19 6:55am
I fully admit what I know about business I know from Shark Tank...
DocPimp
5/22/19 7:55am
hahahahahhahaha. that's a very embarrassing thing to admit.
riboflavin
5/22/19 9:50am
Not for me, I’m definitely not a know it all
DocPimp
5/22/19 10:17am
Hmmm, nice try.
Benfica1
5/22/19 12:36pm
Facts are facts...
DocPimp
5/22/19 5:30pm
When are you guys going to renovate your basketball arena?
Richbyu
5/22/19 6:10pm
It’s a perfect palace for 80k
ThugMormon
5/22/19 8:48pm
Have no idea...
DocPimp
5/22/19 10:18pm
It's had numerous significant renovations, including a major one 4-5 years ago.
Scratch
5/22/19 10:26pm
...when they got half of the door handles replaced to feature in a promo video
BYUFam1
5/23/19 8:41am
Have you been to BYU lately, or ever?
provofan
5/22/19 7:39pm
I honestly haven’t...
DocPimp
5/22/19 10:17pm
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TempeCoug
6/23/19 12:23pm
I think this is 'your truth' (i.e. your opinion).
Benfica1
5/23/19 8:52am
This is like Wyoming calling themselves the premier public school in the state..
ray ray
6/23/19 9:24am
So what you're saying is USU does more with a lot less! That's comforting...
baishel44
5/22/19 10:34am
Lol, this post really brought out the Crimson Crusaders in force...
jaromp
6/22/19 11:22pm
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