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Nov 7, 2019
11:37:23am
Scratch All-American
No, it never says it weighs grad programs, it just says that category of schools
have grad programs. Here you go, look at this link:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights

As you can see, the heading explicitly says, "Find out which data is used in our undergraduate rankings and what has changed." Also note the URL refers to the "best colleges" rankings.

Next, in the very first line of the article, it says, "The 2020 U.S. News Best Colleges rankings, published online on Sept. 9, 2019, are calculated from 15 key measures of quality, outlined in the table below." The words "Best Colleges" is a hyperlink going here:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Click on that. Now, you can see on that page, under the heading "U.S. News Best Colleges," there are 4 categories of colleges that are separated out into separate rankings. The first such category is "National Universities," which are defined as "Schools in the National Universities category offer a full range of undergraduate majors, plus master's and Ph.D. programs." That's the category, however, there is no different criteria for those than for the other categories, and they fall under the same evaluation from the first page that explicitly says the "Best Colleges" rankings are used to determine US News' "undergraduate rankings."

If you go back to the first page, US News lays out its criteria carefully. The first one deals with 6-year graduation rates. Do you think that involves grad schools? It also includes "undergraduate reputation." Strangely, there is no category for "graduate reputation." I would think that if it included grad schools then that might just be a consideration. It then weighs selectivity, including the ACT and SAT scores, as well as how the students did in high school. Strangely, there is nothing in there about how the grad students did on their grad school entrance exams or how they did with their college GPAs.

Finally, US News does weigh the entirety of universities in a different ranking, its global ranking. Here's that ranking for the 2 schools:

Utah is 139.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/university-of-utah-230764

BYU is 692.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/brigham-young-university-provo-230038

So that should tell you what US News thinks about the universities as a whole when the grad programs and everything else is factored in. They're not even in the same universe.

I'll accept your apology now.
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