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Abe Froman

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ESPN front page article featuring BYU

P-Widdy

11/16/19 7:12am

It's a fair write up on BYU. Independence will continue to keep fans away.

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:18am

As opposed to the sweet affiliation of the MWC?

BlackBart

11/16/19 7:24am

Where everyone still "has something to play for"

Jesse Pinkman

11/16/19 7:31am

The only game where Aggies show up is home games vs BYU

BlackBart

11/16/19 7:35am

And look at all the unsold tickets for tonight's Boise State game

Jesse Pinkman

11/16/19 7:37am

Hey, if we beat SDSU this year we're defacto MWC Champs

CougarTailDevourer

11/16/19 2:39pm

I still struggle to believe so many people think the current MWC would be better

gwalker

11/16/19 7:29am

Because BYU could go undefeated in the MWC this year.

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:41am

And if we did, it wouldn’t mean anything in the college football world.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:01am

You’re right- whereas now we are at the center of CFB talk nationally.

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 8:06am

We have a much better chance of being respected playing the schedules we are building in Indy than

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:10am

No we don’t. We have a great chance of winning some good games and losing some

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 8:20am

I’d much rather play P5 schools than MWC schools. If people really want to go 12-0, why don’t we

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:32am

And if playing big time schools is all that matters, why don’t we schedule 2-1’s

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 10:03am

Tell that to Boise St.

ToasterChive

11/16/19 8:23am

B-b-but Wrubell said we are Top 10 nationally in tv viewership!

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 8:26am

Boise is a great example. They’ve been to three NY6 games and no one cares about them. Everyone acts like

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:27am

I dont know that people don't care about them. They get respect in polls all the

ToasterChive

11/16/19 8:30am

And yet they are treated like the little kid who wins a blue ribbon at the fair. Nice job, son.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:38am

You are wrong about that. BSU is a well respected program and folks don't

Ozymandias

11/16/19 8:58am

When they beat a P5 team, it’s always treated like an upset. That’s all we need to know

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 9:03am

You're wrong again.

Ozymandias

11/16/19 9:29am

Hmm. Okay.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 9:32am

Well I dont live in Utah or any where close to Utah or Idaho and talk a ton

Ozymandias

11/16/19 9:41am

So you have a perfect understanding of everything? Boise State is "respected"

Yiowa

11/17/19 5:42am

So you have a perfect understanding of everything?

Ozymandias

11/17/19 7:09am

No, they get ranked because they have a good record with a soft schedule. But even

unctoothman

11/16/19 8:58am

And wouldn’t have been discussed. At least until they were 11-0 and someone would say

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 9:10am

If by “respect” you mean regular Top 25 rankings, Boise gets a lot of it.

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 10:05am

They get more respect than BYU right now

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:41pm

I’m not convinced they do. Everyone knows they are a solid program but they are

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 5:45pm

what's bigger? Playoffs? NOT happening

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:44pm

Yes. Playoffs would be bigger and should be the goal. If you’re going to compete in

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 5:54pm

IND has no path to the playoffs

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 6:00pm

Same with the MWC. Meaningless bowl games. I'd much rather play

LiveCoug

11/16/19 6:03pm

I don’t agree. With the schedules we are building, if we go undefeated, we will be in a MUCH better

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 6:08pm

In the MWC, we'd be going to a similar bowl.

LiveCoug

11/16/19 5:55pm

I think you're considerably deluded re; what people think of BYU, esp if you

MatthiasPhunkHausen

11/16/19 8:40pm

Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself

LAtoProvotoSLC

11/16/19 9:38am

So you're saying that you want the Hyundai coupethat reliably starts and will

DJROSS

11/16/19 11:36am

See UCF

CougarTailDevourer

11/16/19 2:39pm

Exactly. Great example.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 5:55pm

better than the derpy meaningless HW bowl

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:40pm

I struggle to believe that when we couldnt even defeat Toledo and USF

pappabear246

11/16/19 9:09am

You can't see why people don't want to watch this November schedule?

Plato

11/16/19 8:01am

I wouldn’t be anymore excited if it were Fresno State and San Jose State.

gwalker

11/16/19 8:02am

But you also wouldn't be any less excited.

Plato

11/16/19 12:36pm

True. That being the case, the next logical question is which of the two

gwalker

11/17/19 11:05am

you would if the end game wasn't a meaningless crap bowl in HW

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:46pm

What amazing bowl game does the MWC champ play in?

Ozymandias

11/16/19 5:51pm

I'd take the Las Vegas bowl over the HW but

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 6:03pm

No. I can't. It's an absolutely stupid and false narrative to say all the Nov

Goliath

11/16/19 8:11am

Sorry, but lots of us aren't interest in 3 consecutive games

Plato

11/16/19 12:35pm

There appear to be a few categories of people when it comes to independence.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 12:41pm

I'm not in any of your categories now and I'll have to wait and see how I feel

Plato

11/16/19 1:48pm

I’d say you fit squarely into #3.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 2:43pm

It's because you've deluded yourself into thinking that we're SO much better

Goliath

11/16/19 1:21pm

No, that's not it.

Plato

11/16/19 1:49pm

You don't believe this--today was gwawful--last week was worse

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:48pm

Expectations. Most folks would expect a return to 10-win seasons in the MWC.

DoseOfReality

11/16/19 8:05am

They are either Ute trolls or have been brainwashed by Ute trolls

Pobs

11/16/19 8:06am

It’s truly ridiculous. Promoted by folks dismissive

shammy

11/16/19 9:04am

The TV coverage alone should make any somewhat smart fan not want the MWC

mwcoug

11/16/19 9:22am

If you are still struggling to think this would be good, think about this

Coug Dude

11/16/19 11:01pm

Product on field brings fans and drives them away, by and large.

Y05

11/16/19 7:34am

Yeah, less TV coverage and reduced financial resources are going to bring back

kmcougar

11/16/19 7:37am

Sorry but this year BYU could be 12-0 and going to a NY6 bowl in the MWC.

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:44am

We would have still played and lost to Utah if we are in the MWC.

Ozymandias

11/16/19 7:58am

And the Toledo and USF losses would have been losses to bad

gwalker

11/16/19 8:05am

Can’t tell if serious...

chilango

11/16/19 8:59am

If serious, we lost to Toledo and USF, Barely scraped by liberty, beat handily

akmewg

11/16/19 11:17am

Choosing to measure success in sports by TV viewership and revenue is bizarre.

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 8:13am

Yeah because a reduced recruiting budget and less exposure is a surefire way to

kmcougar

11/16/19 9:39am

It clearly hasn’t helped football for the last decade. The extra revenue has

Junior Deputy

11/16/19 10:26am

Independence doesn’t keep fans away. Exactly the opposite in fact.

All-American

11/16/19 7:37am

The schedules are too hard, in the MWC this year BYU could very well be 12-0

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:43am

Lol I love when people say the schedules are too hard.

The Dude Abides

11/16/19 8:07am

Just stop. Are you a ute troll?

chilango

11/16/19 9:00am

Compared to what?

Turnpike Lane

11/16/19 7:41am

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Abe Froman

11/16/19 7:55am

How is it keeping people away?, lol

Pobs

11/16/19 8:05am

BYU still has some of the best football attendance in the nation.

che flaco

11/16/19 8:23am

Wow, Virginia hasn't beaten VA Tech since 2003.

eddog

11/16/19 7:34am

"existential crisis" — great phrase to describe BYU over the last few years.

BringBackRoyalBlue

11/16/19 7:35am

Not of their own making though

Turnpike Lane

11/16/19 7:41am

BYU doesn't have power over their own schedule?

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:45am

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Abe Froman

11/16/19 7:55am

No but they have control of their own schedule,.. making this existensial crisis

ToasterChive

11/16/19 7:57am

RE: BYU can schedule whomever they want, whenever they want?

DCfan

11/16/19 8:24am

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Abe Froman

11/16/19 8:28am

And next week the vaunted Alabama Crimson Tide plays the 3-7 WCU Catamounts

Greg Kite's 'stache

11/16/19 8:53am

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Abe Froman

11/16/19 8:57am

You can’t be serious, sure getting into a P5 is not in our control (debatable if

akmewg

11/16/19 11:22am

Pretty good write up tbh

HONOMO

11/16/19 8:09am

Mentions gandy-golden as player to watch, I knew he looked legit

doubled1981

11/16/19 9:59am

BYU is in a far more stable and strong position than any G5 program. Our revenue and fan support (in terms of

CalGTR

11/16/19 10:19am

There's no doubt we are in no man's land and lack identity

HONOMO

11/16/19 10:32am

I doubt that.

All-American

11/16/19 10:59am

Dude, we definitely lack an identity. Do we run? Do we throw? Do we crush semi-

BleedCougarBlue2

11/16/19 12:23pm

Which part?

HONOMO

11/16/19 11:26am

BYU existence is meaningless right now--we're playing for nothing vs nobody's

SC-Zoobie

11/16/19 5:51pm

I would say existential crisis is a fair characterization

Heath Squashwell

11/16/19 10:40am

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