You must have not seen Jabbar play, especially in his prime.

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May 13, 2020
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Do you agree? GOAT list from ESPN:

Vincent's Picks

5/13/20 9:47am

Magic overrated?

Squirt

5/13/20 9:48am

I think so... his charisma earns him extra points it seems

runnincoug

5/13/20 9:54am

No. He was incredible.

SoCalCoug

5/13/20 10:04am

Magic never gets penalized for "injuries" but others do

Cougforgood

5/13/20 10:06am

Shaq over Kobe

Josef K

5/13/20 9:50am

Yes, I'd go 1, 3, 2, 10 (Shaq), 6, 5, 7, 8, 9, 4

Benfica1

5/13/20 10:35am

You open Pandora’s box when you use that as your logic.

StalwartBraveTrue

5/13/20 11:46am

Jerry West was a better player than Kobe

AZ Coug

5/13/20 9:52am

Yep, no way Kobe is top 10, but Jerry might be.

CopperLix

5/13/20 9:59am

A lot of people opining on this who never saw Jerry West play

AZ Coug

5/13/20 10:02am

A lot of people opining on this who hate Kobe.

SoCalCoug

5/13/20 10:05am

I think a lot of it has to do with questioning how good west would be today

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 10:08am

By that standard, I guess Barry Bonds wasn't a top-30 baseball player

AZ Coug

5/13/20 10:26am

Maybe, I’m just saying he played in the 60’s. Not a lot of people saw him play

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 11:19am

Starting to cherry pick.

StalwartBraveTrue

5/13/20 11:53am

Yeah but if Kobe grew up in the era that West did, how would his game be..

icecougar

5/13/20 1:16pm

I’m just stating why people consider Kobe better than West

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 1:56pm

Jerry West would say Kobe was better than him

Str8CashCougar

5/13/20 11:30am

He would also say Shaq and Elgin Baylor were better than him

AZ Coug

5/13/20 11:34am

of course he would, that's the kind of guy he is and speaks to the era he came..

icecougar

5/13/20 1:19pm

West was 6'2" with a 6'9" wingspan and its said that his intensity...

icecougar

5/13/20 2:19pm

It is certainly reasonable to put Duncan and Kobe ahead of Shaq but I think peak

Charles Darwin

5/13/20 9:52am

I'd move Shaq to 8.

TheLoneCougar

5/13/20 9:53am

I agree with 1 and 2. Whatever after that.

Cougarmayn

5/13/20 9:55am

It’s crazy how many played for the Lakers. 6/10

Big Daddy D

5/13/20 9:56am

Good to see Duncan on the list. The guy was very good, but didn’t do it with

Corn Pop

5/13/20 9:56am

Who in the league now has the best chance of getting into the top 10?

Charles Darwin

5/13/20 9:58am

Depends on what we value when determining the rankings

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 10:05am

Russell and Wilt are the hardest guys to rank for me

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 9:59am

I was about to say the same thing about Russell

CaliWG

5/13/20 10:07am

Russell shot 44% from the field. That is terrible for a Center.

Jdoc

5/13/20 10:16am

Also played when there were only 10 teams in the league - easier to get a ring.

Benfica1

5/13/20 10:37am

Yep, all these things are why Russell is hard to rate historically.

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 11:27am

To do time machine you’d need to give him time to be raised

StalwartBraveTrue

5/13/20 12:55pm

Sure, but it’s hard to envision what Russell would be today.

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 2:02pm

but would he be a poor offensive player growing up in an era that LOVES to...

icecougar

5/13/20 2:11pm

Impossible to know the answers to those questions.

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 3:03pm

Agree. It’s an impossible exercise. Same goes for all players who played

StalwartBraveTrue

5/13/20 3:15pm

cream rises to the top...

icecougar

5/15/20 11:08am

Imagine Shaq back then with 10 teams and the next closest center 75lbs lighter

cougsnhoosiers

5/13/20 12:26pm

you'd have a less athletic version of Wilt

icecougar

5/13/20 2:13pm

RE: Russell and Wilt are the hardest guys to rank for me

porl thompson

5/13/20 12:55pm

Ya I think it’s just hard to know how good those opponents were

PHXSUNS31

5/13/20 2:07pm

talent level was lower which deflated Wilt's skill development growing up...

icecougar

5/13/20 2:03pm

Russell too high...Wilt too low.

HootnHoller

5/14/20 9:13am

Wilt seems low.

SpiffCoug

5/13/20 10:39am

I agree. It they widen the paint to slow you down you probably

StalwartBraveTrue

5/13/20 12:03pm

Pretty good

Forzaitalia

5/13/20 11:58am

If I were starting a team... I'd pick Duncan over Magic... and maybe even Duncan over Jabbar

HarlemCoug

5/13/20 1:17pm

Did you ever see Jabbar play? (in his prime)

AZ Coug

5/13/20 1:20pm

Jabbar is the clear #3. There's a gap after him. Top 3 are correct and #4 is or

rcbyufan

5/13/20 1:27pm

I saw him play - I think Jabbar played against significantly inferior competition.

HarlemCoug

5/13/20 3:44pm

I beg to differ. the 5s in Jabbar's era were bigger and better than today

AZ Coug

5/13/20 4:20pm

There’s just not much use for those types of guys in today’s game.

PHXSUNS31

5/14/20 9:35am

There aren't any skilled big men in the league like those guys

AZ Coug

5/14/20 9:46am

They’re skilled in different ways today

PHXSUNS31

5/14/20 10:01am

This is exactly right

cougsnhoosiers

5/14/20 4:00pm

You must have not seen Jabbar play, especially in his prime.

Jdoc

5/13/20 2:09pm

ooh disagree. it's not a hard argument for Kareem to be #2 ahead of Lebron

icecougar

5/13/20 2:21pm

Russell is too high...great player but not top 5 despite all the rings

Hang10

5/13/20 2:30pm

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