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Jan 21, 2022
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Ragnar Danneskjold
$4,000,000 never forget
Everything on there is a head-scratcher.
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Car dealerships are crooks. This topic reminded me of a post I made a few years ago:
Ragnar Danneskjold
$4,000,000 never forget
1/21/22 8:54am
The worst is they sell it as "you can just roll it into your payment"
crack
1/21/22 8:58am
For real - edge guards: pay more to have your Civic Type R look worse
COUGND
1/21/22 8:58am
Everything on there is a head-scratcher.
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/22 8:59am
"Lo-Jack" is a huge neon sign that translates into auto-speak as "Do Not Buy From Here."
Bert609
1/21/22 9:00am
I was looking at car that had onStar. The dealer also installed their own GPS thingy. I asked what their package did
Beest
1/21/22 10:45am
Interesting that so many of those ad-ons are all 395.00…
franklyvulgar
1/21/22 9:03am
Cargo net installed for $395? I’d love to have that hourly rate.
ponys
1/21/22 9:33am
Believe me, the guys putting it in aren't getting that money.
John Doe
1/21/22 9:51am
Is this where the Tesla model departs from the dealership model?
MarylandFan
1/21/22 9:07am
Yes when you visit their “dealership” and even test drive the employees there
franklyvulgar
1/21/22 9:14am
Wait a minute, when you visit Tesla, the employees actually know the features? That's a novel concept.
Bert609
1/21/22 9:20am
Haha, yes! That is a funny and ironic thing.
MarylandFan
1/21/22 9:25am
We can’t have caveat emptor and expect them to be nice.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:09am
But it isn't free market anymore. Laws make it difficult or impossible to sell vehicles without going through a dealer.
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:12am
And laws are in place to prevent others from owning a dealership. It's a pseudo-controlled monopoly.
Bert609
1/21/22 9:17am
Which really isn’t what the OP is complaining about
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:27am
They couldn’t in Utah for years because the dealers tried to block them
franklyvulgar
1/21/22 9:18am
Two different problems.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:25am
Two inter-related problems in this case.
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:27am
Which is why the laws of our current system (at least in Utah) have changed in the past 2 years. It's much better now,
Bert609
1/21/22 9:28am
I agree. However, it isn’t lack of a free market. This is exactly how the free
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:30am
I'm not arguing the establishment of prices. I'm arguing the establishment of dealers. In Utah, before Tesla, it
Bert609
1/21/22 9:39am
Look if you wanna have a conversation about car dealership laws go ahead.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:42am
It has everything to do with it. Limit competition, limit opportunities to avoid the mark up gimmicks.
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:48am
You assume that if you just had more dealerships this wouldn’t happen.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:52am
When you can cross state lines and instantly get $5-10k+ off your quote, you have a Utah problem. Especially since
Bert609
1/21/22 9:53am
If that is the case that means I could have gotten my GMC AT4 for $26k off MSRP if I went to another state.
LyleLanley
1/21/22 10:08am
You are a much better negotiator than me. This past year was enough for me to throw in the towel on the whole thing.
Bert609
1/21/22 10:59am
Last vehicle I purchased was found on the internet. I flew to Portland to buy and drive home. I saved $5k+ over local
SierraCoug
1/21/22 10:10am
I assume that if I have more dealers I'd have a better chance of finding one not engaging in the shenanigans.
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:58am
Long way to say, "you're right, it isn't a free market, government screws up
jvquarterback
1/21/22 9:29am
Free market means I get to charge two people wildly different prices if I can
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:32am
A free market also means that I could see a person overcharging for their good or service and decide to compete...
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:36am
There are plenty of car dealerships competing
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:37am
Yes, there is competition within this closed system. Why can't I build the Honda I want using the online configurator?
Tokolosh
1/21/22 9:42am
Honda doesn’t want to sell you cars direct. You don’t like that-OK
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:51am
Honda does want to sell direct. Now that the tools exist to make that happen the OEMs do want to change it.
Tokolosh
1/21/22 10:01am
The issue is that it's regulated. It's not a free market. If I want to buy directly from the manufacture I can't. A
HarlemCoug
1/21/22 9:36am
Someone should have a car negotiating service where they’re compensated
franklyvulgar
1/21/22 9:37am
This actually exists.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:42am
How can you be so wrong? Free market means anyone can sell in the market. No
jvquarterback
1/21/22 9:38am
But the part that was being complained about has nothing to do with restrictions
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:40am
The whole point of the post was that manufacturer's are prohibited from selling
jvquarterback
1/21/22 9:47am
No the point was they charge $400 for the same wheel locks they charge $50 for
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:53am
Because they've captured government regulation and excluded their competition.
jvquarterback
1/21/22 10:30am
Free market means I can walk out the door and go elsewhere if I don’t like what
califcougar
1/21/22 9:41am
There is plenty of rivalry and competition for car sales.
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:55am
3 of 7 Honda dealerships in Utah are Ken Garff. Two are Larry Miller but they
califcougar
1/21/22 10:05am
You don't even have to buy in Utah. Buy somewhere else, the market is national
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 11:05am
You can’t buy a new Honda at a non-Honda dealership and Garff and Miller own
califcougar
1/21/22 11:37am
Thanks for pointing out (again) there isn't a free market in Utah.
jvquarterback
1/21/22 11:46am
I'm sure many elderly people have bought cars complete unaware of the 1,000% markup. That's why I consider them crooks.
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/22 9:16am
I am sure that’s true. But that’s the system we have. Willing seller, willing
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:28am
Talking advantage of uninformed buyers because they can and nothing to stop them
franklyvulgar
1/21/22 9:32am
Yeah, if your grandma went to jiffy lube and they told her an oil change was $900, and she went along with it, I bet you
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/22 9:38am
Dishonest yes; crooks no
Socrates Johnson
1/21/22 9:54am
It's the same thing.
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/22 9:59am
When you enter the dealership you are challenging practiced warriors to battle.
Ripliancum
1/21/22 9:20am
I can understand things that are wired into the car. the alarm, low jack etc....
crimedog
1/21/22 9:32am
On the Low-Jack, they'll give you a spiel about how they install it on all their vehicles for "insurance" when they get
Bert609
1/21/22 10:05am
here's my story on dealers trying to slip in costly add ons without me knowing about it
byujag
1/21/22 9:37am
They tried that with the vin-etching thing with me. Had an agreed-upon OTD price, and when the car finally arrived they
Ragnar Danneskjold
1/21/22 9:41am
This is how you Alpha.
Q-grr
1/21/22 11:56am
I didn't even know wheel locks were a thing until I had to force them off my own
ochobeeguy
1/21/22 9:53am
How can you tell when a car salesman is lying?
85fan
1/21/22 10:37am
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