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Sep 28, 2022
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Goliath
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Not really. If that stat is true, it's only because sacks are included.
In actual running plays they averaged over 5 yds/carry in the second half.
The second quarter run defense was good, but not the second half
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Against Wyo BYU rushed 4 or 5 and sometimes 6. It didn't matter, the Wyo OL was
Hinta
9/28/22 10:04am
Speaking of ARod... can anyone explain his obsession with the short side of the field?
Coug
9/28/22 10:08am
And why was he calling a running play on 3rd and 6 in the 1st half when our
Hinta
9/28/22 10:10am
He said he called an RPO and they would go for it on 4th if they got more than 2
SUAVO
9/28/22 10:13am
Actually, he said Jaron should have taken the pass option (and had two receivers available).
kccougar
9/28/22 10:15am
That's what I was meaning when I said he should have kept it. Kept it to pass
SUAVO
9/28/22 10:45am
You guys know there is a weekly show called Coordinator's Corner where our coaches talk about things like this, right?
kccougar
9/28/22 10:14am
I'm amazed how many alleged BYU football fans have no idea about these shows
Mayor of Cougartown
9/28/22 10:26am
Do your think these shows can even come close to matching the CB Brain Trust?
King of Y
9/28/22 2:25pm
Here is the link:
King Boo
9/28/22 11:59am
He admitted to being obsessed with the run game when
Archaea
9/28/22 10:11am
He learned that from Grimes
mudpupper
9/28/22 10:31am
Who learned it from Crowton
Longhaul
9/28/22 11:42am
Right?! That should be the exception, not the rule. Something to surprise the D
canofpicante
9/28/22 12:10pm
I thought I was the only one who pondered this mystery. It is truly odd
zerome4sooners
9/28/22 5:13pm
Could be high scoring, but doesn't Arkansas has a horrible defense as well. I
SUAVO
9/28/22 10:10am
I would predict both ND and Arkansas to win but I wouldn't be
Archaea
9/28/22 10:12am
Bad pass defense, good rush defense and great at getting sacks
gohogs14
9/28/22 11:28am
They averaged 3.6 yards per rush, and that was after the awful first quarter where they averaged over 7. The D tightened
cheezedawg
9/28/22 10:11am
I feel like our D figured it out after the 1st quarter. I wonder what their yards per rush were each quarter.
HarlemCoug
9/28/22 10:13am
For second half it was over 5 yds/carry
Goliath
9/28/22 10:19am
RE: For second half it was over 5 yds/carry
cheezedawg
9/28/22 12:19pm
I copied from espn
Goliath
9/28/22 12:47pm
They just put the number of yards, you have to look at the start and end lines to figure +/-
molodyets
9/28/22 12:50pm
Yup. It will say a rush for 3 yards on 1st and 10 and then the next play is 2nd and 13.
cheezedawg
9/28/22 12:53pm
Correct. I didn't recognize that when I first looked at it.
Goliath
9/28/22 1:29pm
Not really. If that stat is true, it's only because sacks are included.
Goliath
9/28/22 10:18am
That’s not what the stats show. They rushed for 23 yards in the 2nd half or 2 yards per carry. That includes 1 sack for
cheezedawg
9/28/22 12:15pm
BYU got one sack for a loss of 7 yards.
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:04pm
Different DL against ND and Ark
HudspethEra
9/28/22 10:14am
Pili played all of the wyoming game. I think you mean Tooley
Mayor of Cougartown
9/28/22 10:27am
But Utah State could injure more of our D
CharlottesvilleCoug
9/28/22 12:13pm
Fun narrative. In truth after the first drive Wyoming run game was shut down
Blueto
9/28/22 10:15am
Only if you include sacks. So not really the full story
Goliath
9/28/22 10:20am
But including sacks is the part of the game/full story.:)
basman
9/28/22 10:22am
Absolutely agree. But a complete picture breaks down which is which
Goliath
9/28/22 10:24am
Stop with the facts. The tuiaki defenders will find any excuse to validate his
kotacoug
9/28/22 10:44am
Give me the facts on rushing yards in the 2nd half.
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:04pm
You can't compare BYU breaking down the various groupings to generally available
NYC and Japan
9/28/22 1:09pm
Tell me you didn't watch the whole game without telling me you didn't watch the
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:02pm
Yes. If you take out sacks, tfls, or tackles after short gains....it looks bad.
Blueto
9/28/22 10:31am
That's clever
Goliath
9/28/22 10:34am
but those are things that happened in the game so maybe don't take them all out?
Mayor of Cougartown
9/28/22 10:46am
The original post was talking about rushing attempts. Taking out sac yardage is
kotacoug
9/28/22 10:51am
yeah not sure why the college game hasn't changed like the NFL has.
Mayor of Cougartown
9/28/22 10:52am
When a person is trying every possible way to excuse poor coaching they will
kotacoug
9/28/22 10:55am
It's you whiners who constantly need to manipulate the data. After their first
Blueto
9/28/22 11:24am
He's got a point, despite the eyeroll...
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:06pm
No manipulation needed. Cold hard facts show that the D is marginal at best. The
kotacoug
9/28/22 2:41pm
Yes because BYU knew ahead of time exactly what Wyoming was going to run on O.
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:02pm
There was 3 games to see what the 100 ranked offensive team in the country
kotacoug
9/28/22 3:03pm
Yes because teams only run the same plays they have already run that season and take the exact same approach they have..
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:59pm
You aren’t saying anything that we don’t all know. Good/great DCs show that they
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:09pm
How about... We've only lost 5 games in the last 3 years and we've been ranked in the top 25 most of the time.
HarlemCoug
9/28/22 4:17pm
If you owned some real estate in NY and part of your book wasn’t giving you the
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:52pm
None of us have the data we need to want Tuiaki gone. We might have a 1/3rd of the total data. If Tom/Kalani want him
HarlemCoug
9/28/22 5:02pm
Don’t mistake me complaining about the D as not enjoying the season. The past
kotacoug
9/28/22 5:45pm
If not for the clearly incompetent/biased officials, the BYU D would have held Wyoming to 10 points
slatecoug
9/28/22 10:58pm
See manipulation. After ONE drive it was shut down. ONE. Not a quarter and a
Blueto
9/28/22 3:04pm
1 yard is 1 too many!!!
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:25pm
Go ask the most dominant D in the country about Kent State
BYU313
9/28/22 3:05pm
I’ve posted over and over about actual numbers like DFEI and PPD allowed which
kotacoug
9/28/22 3:54pm
Recruiting with very little support staff and an Indy label is difficult. Classes will get better going forward or
HarlemCoug
9/28/22 3:57pm
You love DFEI, except for 2019 when it had us top ten. But you need to ignore
Blueto
9/28/22 4:00pm
DFEI for 2019 was a rank of #66. Are you trying to manipulate numbers?
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:11pm
Just checked on ESPN and its actually #55
BYU313
9/29/22 6:39am
Why did we let them gain any yards at all? Sheesh! Also kinda sucks that our
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:24pm
The numbers have shown the D is marginal over 4 games this year. And years prior
kotacoug
9/28/22 3:46pm
I have literally never claimed that. But, after a quick 10 points, the defense
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:56pm
BYU had 1 sack for a 7 yard loss.
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:03pm
You paint a false picture
FMOCIE
9/28/22 11:27am
Did you even read the OP? He stated our run defense sucked and the only thing
Blueto
9/28/22 12:11pm
I think the run defense was ineffective for 1st half, you don’t have to paint a
FMOCIE
9/28/22 12:19pm
But you're not painting the entire picture. Their 2nd drive they also rushed 3
Blueto
9/28/22 12:28pm
Well... The 8 yard part sucks, but the rest is awesome. Love it! Hope to see
NYC and Japan
9/28/22 1:13pm
Is that a prophecy, prediction, feared outcome or something else? I assume you
basman
9/28/22 10:21am
The run defense was very good in the second half
JOPE
9/28/22 10:22am
If surrendering over 5 yds/carry is very good, then I guess
Goliath
9/28/22 10:25am
Our offense scoring forced Wyoming to do what they are horrible at. Passing…
kotacoug
9/28/22 10:46am
My unofficial count shows 10 rushes for 36 yards in the second half when
bluescholar
9/28/22 11:34am
RE: My unofficial count shows 10 rushes for 36 yards in the second half when
Goliath
9/28/22 11:41am
You have a 3, 2, and 7 that should be -3, -2, and -7, which results in 36.
bluescholar
9/28/22 11:50am
Hmmm..I just copied from the play by play
Goliath
9/28/22 11:56am
Caught red handed. Not surprised. I've been told multiple times that we were
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:10pm
Your characterization of the run D isn't accurate.
LifeLongLakerFan
9/28/22 10:52am
i mean, that's not what happened and after the first 2 drives we stuffed the run game.
molodyets
9/28/22 11:35am
Go back and look at 3rd drive they ran it effectively
FMOCIE
9/28/22 11:43am
Did you go to a school that actually teaches math? Might want to rerun those #s.
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:15pm
Why don’t you tell me what the DFEI ranking is for BYU? No manipulated data with
kotacoug
9/28/22 2:57pm
Losing arguments eh? Time to pivot! I'm guessing it's average though, which is
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:29pm
Actually there are people who are claiming it is better than it is. Compared to
kotacoug
9/28/22 3:51pm
Our O has benefited greatly by elite QB play. I don't see much difference between O and D recruiting. Curious if you
HarlemCoug
9/28/22 3:59pm
I don’t but it would be interesting. You could probably argue that elite
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:47pm
LOL at the idea that recruiting kids to play defense at BYU is the same as for
Bluedarts
9/28/22 4:05pm
Why?
kotacoug
9/28/22 5:48pm
What is byu known for?
Bluedarts
9/28/22 10:04pm
Hey jerk, I've never claimed its not average...why are you so happy we're avg?
FMOCIE
9/29/22 6:55am
RE: Hey jerk, I've never claimed its not average...why are you so happy we're
Bluedarts
9/29/22 10:57am
#55 isnt bad
BYU313
9/28/22 3:33pm
DFEI #60
kotacoug
9/28/22 3:50pm
Do you even look at the stats? They only got 124 yds rushing, 3.6 carry, what
Jasbo
9/28/22 12:00pm
It's apparent after 4 games that the online is not as good as advertised
SoValleyCOUG
9/28/22 1:47pm
Now THAT's probably something worth discussing more than the usual "fire Tuiaki"
Bluedarts
9/28/22 2:19pm
Hey as soon as the D gets ranked any where close to the offense ranking let’s
kotacoug
9/28/22 2:47pm
OK, well then, staying relevant to my post, how does our run game rank?
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:34pm
Still waiting.
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:40pm
Well if you really want to know we rank #81 in yds per rush allowed so…
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:02pm
He asked about our rushing attack
slatecoug
9/28/22 4:03pm
I thought we were talking about defense.
kotacoug
9/28/22 4:15pm
I was talking about the run game in my post, and you said let me know when the
Bluedarts
9/28/22 4:21pm
The offense is significantly better than the defense I don’t care if our rushing
kotacoug
9/28/22 5:43pm
The BYU O is ranked #41 in Total O. The BYU D is ranked #37 in Total D.
slatecoug
9/28/22 10:59pm
Lol no one uses those analytics to evaluate Too generalized…..
kotacoug
9/29/22 8:44am
You are correct, I was on TBS back in the day. I even kept the same board name
slatecoug
9/29/22 1:49pm
RE: The offense is significantly better than the defense I don’t care if
Bluedarts
9/28/22 11:53pm
Sorry if that’s too difficult to understand…. Let me spell it out….
kotacoug
9/29/22 8:45am
BYU is #81 in rushing yards allowed/game. The BYU D is #59 rushing yards/attempt
slatecoug
9/28/22 4:09pm
#78 in rushing yards allowed per rush according to ESPN.
kotacoug
9/28/22 6:06pm
ESPN also has BYU as #34 in Total D, but the NCAA has BYU at #37 in Total D.
slatecoug
9/28/22 11:04pm
Our run game and in particular our RB's have underperformed in 2 of the 4 games this year.
slatecoug
9/28/22 4:02pm
BYU ran for 17 more yards on 10 fewer carries against Wyoming than Air Force did the week before.
slatecoug
9/28/22 2:34pm
You may be right. There was a glimmer of hope with Davis, but it also might have
Bluedarts
9/28/22 3:39pm
BYU only ran 63 plays on O for the entire game. Why would Wyoming be tired?
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:55pm
Rushing is Wyoming’s bread and butter. They’re not a terrible team and we did pretty well shutting them down later in
Rat
9/28/22 2:47pm
When Wyo scored to take the lead 10-7 with 13:03 to go in the in the second quarter Wyo had 101 rushing yards.
slatecoug
9/28/22 3:00pm
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