Your characterization of the run D isn't accurate.

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Sep 28, 2022
10:52:34am

LifeLongLakerFan All-American

It was like that in the first half of the first quarter. Not at all like that in the final 3.5 quarters.

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Against Wyo BYU rushed 4 or 5 and sometimes 6. It didn't matter, the Wyo OL was

Hinta

9/28/22 10:04am

Speaking of ARod... can anyone explain his obsession with the short side of the field?

Coug

9/28/22 10:08am

And why was he calling a running play on 3rd and 6 in the 1st half when our

Hinta

9/28/22 10:10am

He said he called an RPO and they would go for it on 4th if they got more than 2

SUAVO

9/28/22 10:13am

Actually, he said Jaron should have taken the pass option (and had two receivers available).

kccougar

9/28/22 10:15am

That's what I was meaning when I said he should have kept it. Kept it to pass

SUAVO

9/28/22 10:45am

You guys know there is a weekly show called Coordinator's Corner where our coaches talk about things like this, right?

kccougar

9/28/22 10:14am

I'm amazed how many alleged BYU football fans have no idea about these shows

Mayor of Cougartown

9/28/22 10:26am

Do your think these shows can even come close to matching the CB Brain Trust?

King of Y

9/28/22 2:25pm

Here is the link:

King Boo

9/28/22 11:59am

He admitted to being obsessed with the run game when

Archaea

9/28/22 10:11am

He learned that from Grimes

mudpupper

9/28/22 10:31am

Who learned it from Crowton

Longhaul

9/28/22 11:42am

Right?! That should be the exception, not the rule. Something to surprise the D

canofpicante

9/28/22 12:10pm

I thought I was the only one who pondered this mystery. It is truly odd

zerome4sooners

9/28/22 5:13pm

Could be high scoring, but doesn't Arkansas has a horrible defense as well. I

SUAVO

9/28/22 10:10am

I would predict both ND and Arkansas to win but I wouldn't be

Archaea

9/28/22 10:12am

Bad pass defense, good rush defense and great at getting sacks

gohogs14

9/28/22 11:28am

They averaged 3.6 yards per rush, and that was after the awful first quarter where they averaged over 7. The D tightened

cheezedawg

9/28/22 10:11am

I feel like our D figured it out after the 1st quarter. I wonder what their yards per rush were each quarter.

HarlemCoug

9/28/22 10:13am

For second half it was over 5 yds/carry

Goliath

9/28/22 10:19am

RE: For second half it was over 5 yds/carry

cheezedawg

9/28/22 12:19pm

I copied from espn

Goliath

9/28/22 12:47pm

They just put the number of yards, you have to look at the start and end lines to figure +/-

molodyets

9/28/22 12:50pm

Yup. It will say a rush for 3 yards on 1st and 10 and then the next play is 2nd and 13.

cheezedawg

9/28/22 12:53pm

Correct. I didn't recognize that when I first looked at it.

Goliath

9/28/22 1:29pm

Not really. If that stat is true, it's only because sacks are included.

Goliath

9/28/22 10:18am

That’s not what the stats show. They rushed for 23 yards in the 2nd half or 2 yards per carry. That includes 1 sack for

cheezedawg

9/28/22 12:15pm

BYU got one sack for a loss of 7 yards.

slatecoug

9/28/22 3:04pm

Different DL against ND and Ark

HudspethEra

9/28/22 10:14am

Pili played all of the wyoming game. I think you mean Tooley

Mayor of Cougartown

9/28/22 10:27am

But Utah State could injure more of our D

CharlottesvilleCoug

9/28/22 12:13pm

Fun narrative. In truth after the first drive Wyoming run game was shut down

Blueto

9/28/22 10:15am

Only if you include sacks. So not really the full story

Goliath

9/28/22 10:20am

But including sacks is the part of the game/full story.:)

basman

9/28/22 10:22am

Absolutely agree. But a complete picture breaks down which is which

Goliath

9/28/22 10:24am

Stop with the facts. The tuiaki defenders will find any excuse to validate his

kotacoug

9/28/22 10:44am

Give me the facts on rushing yards in the 2nd half.

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:04pm

You can't compare BYU breaking down the various groupings to generally available

NYC and Japan

9/28/22 1:09pm

Tell me you didn't watch the whole game without telling me you didn't watch the

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:02pm

Yes. If you take out sacks, tfls, or tackles after short gains....it looks bad.

Blueto

9/28/22 10:31am

That's clever

Goliath

9/28/22 10:34am

but those are things that happened in the game so maybe don't take them all out?

Mayor of Cougartown

9/28/22 10:46am

The original post was talking about rushing attempts. Taking out sac yardage is

kotacoug

9/28/22 10:51am

yeah not sure why the college game hasn't changed like the NFL has.

Mayor of Cougartown

9/28/22 10:52am

When a person is trying every possible way to excuse poor coaching they will

kotacoug

9/28/22 10:55am

It's you whiners who constantly need to manipulate the data. After their first

Blueto

9/28/22 11:24am

He's got a point, despite the eyeroll...

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:06pm

No manipulation needed. Cold hard facts show that the D is marginal at best. The

kotacoug

9/28/22 2:41pm

Yes because BYU knew ahead of time exactly what Wyoming was going to run on O.

slatecoug

9/28/22 3:02pm

There was 3 games to see what the 100 ranked offensive team in the country

kotacoug

9/28/22 3:03pm

Yes because teams only run the same plays they have already run that season and take the exact same approach they have..

slatecoug

9/28/22 3:59pm

You aren’t saying anything that we don’t all know. Good/great DCs show that they

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:09pm

How about... We've only lost 5 games in the last 3 years and we've been ranked in the top 25 most of the time.

HarlemCoug

9/28/22 4:17pm

If you owned some real estate in NY and part of your book wasn’t giving you the

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:52pm

None of us have the data we need to want Tuiaki gone. We might have a 1/3rd of the total data. If Tom/Kalani want him

HarlemCoug

9/28/22 5:02pm

Don’t mistake me complaining about the D as not enjoying the season. The past

kotacoug

9/28/22 5:45pm

If not for the clearly incompetent/biased officials, the BYU D would have held Wyoming to 10 points

slatecoug

9/28/22 10:58pm

See manipulation. After ONE drive it was shut down. ONE. Not a quarter and a

Blueto

9/28/22 3:04pm

1 yard is 1 too many!!!

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:25pm

Go ask the most dominant D in the country about Kent State

BYU313

9/28/22 3:05pm

I’ve posted over and over about actual numbers like DFEI and PPD allowed which

kotacoug

9/28/22 3:54pm

Recruiting with very little support staff and an Indy label is difficult. Classes will get better going forward or

HarlemCoug

9/28/22 3:57pm

You love DFEI, except for 2019 when it had us top ten. But you need to ignore

Blueto

9/28/22 4:00pm

DFEI for 2019 was a rank of #66. Are you trying to manipulate numbers?

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:11pm

Just checked on ESPN and its actually #55

BYU313

9/29/22 6:39am

Why did we let them gain any yards at all? Sheesh! Also kinda sucks that our

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:24pm

The numbers have shown the D is marginal over 4 games this year. And years prior

kotacoug

9/28/22 3:46pm

I have literally never claimed that. But, after a quick 10 points, the defense

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:56pm

BYU had 1 sack for a 7 yard loss.

slatecoug

9/28/22 3:03pm

You paint a false picture

FMOCIE

9/28/22 11:27am

Did you even read the OP? He stated our run defense sucked and the only thing

Blueto

9/28/22 12:11pm

I think the run defense was ineffective for 1st half, you don’t have to paint a

FMOCIE

9/28/22 12:19pm

But you're not painting the entire picture. Their 2nd drive they also rushed 3

Blueto

9/28/22 12:28pm

Well... The 8 yard part sucks, but the rest is awesome. Love it! Hope to see

NYC and Japan

9/28/22 1:13pm

Is that a prophecy, prediction, feared outcome or something else? I assume you

basman

9/28/22 10:21am

The run defense was very good in the second half

JOPE

9/28/22 10:22am

If surrendering over 5 yds/carry is very good, then I guess

Goliath

9/28/22 10:25am

Our offense scoring forced Wyoming to do what they are horrible at. Passing…

kotacoug

9/28/22 10:46am

My unofficial count shows 10 rushes for 36 yards in the second half when

bluescholar

9/28/22 11:34am

RE: My unofficial count shows 10 rushes for 36 yards in the second half when

Goliath

9/28/22 11:41am

You have a 3, 2, and 7 that should be -3, -2, and -7, which results in 36.

bluescholar

9/28/22 11:50am

Hmmm..I just copied from the play by play

Goliath

9/28/22 11:56am

Caught red handed. Not surprised. I've been told multiple times that we were

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:10pm

Your characterization of the run D isn't accurate.

LifeLongLakerFan

9/28/22 10:52am

i mean, that's not what happened and after the first 2 drives we stuffed the run game.

molodyets

9/28/22 11:35am

Go back and look at 3rd drive they ran it effectively

FMOCIE

9/28/22 11:43am

Did you go to a school that actually teaches math? Might want to rerun those #s.

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:15pm

Why don’t you tell me what the DFEI ranking is for BYU? No manipulated data with

kotacoug

9/28/22 2:57pm

Losing arguments eh? Time to pivot! I'm guessing it's average though, which is

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:29pm

Actually there are people who are claiming it is better than it is. Compared to

kotacoug

9/28/22 3:51pm

Our O has benefited greatly by elite QB play. I don't see much difference between O and D recruiting. Curious if you

HarlemCoug

9/28/22 3:59pm

I don’t but it would be interesting. You could probably argue that elite

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:47pm

LOL at the idea that recruiting kids to play defense at BYU is the same as for

Bluedarts

9/28/22 4:05pm

Why?

kotacoug

9/28/22 5:48pm

What is byu known for?

Bluedarts

9/28/22 10:04pm

Hey jerk, I've never claimed its not average...why are you so happy we're avg?

FMOCIE

9/29/22 6:55am

RE: Hey jerk, I've never claimed its not average...why are you so happy we're

Bluedarts

9/29/22 10:57am

#55 isnt bad

BYU313

9/28/22 3:33pm

DFEI #60

kotacoug

9/28/22 3:50pm

Do you even look at the stats? They only got 124 yds rushing, 3.6 carry, what

Jasbo

9/28/22 12:00pm

It's apparent after 4 games that the online is not as good as advertised

SoValleyCOUG

9/28/22 1:47pm

Now THAT's probably something worth discussing more than the usual "fire Tuiaki"

Bluedarts

9/28/22 2:19pm

Hey as soon as the D gets ranked any where close to the offense ranking let’s

kotacoug

9/28/22 2:47pm

OK, well then, staying relevant to my post, how does our run game rank?

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:34pm

Still waiting.

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:40pm

Well if you really want to know we rank #81 in yds per rush allowed so…

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:02pm

He asked about our rushing attack

slatecoug

9/28/22 4:03pm

I thought we were talking about defense.

kotacoug

9/28/22 4:15pm

I was talking about the run game in my post, and you said let me know when the

Bluedarts

9/28/22 4:21pm

The offense is significantly better than the defense I don’t care if our rushing

kotacoug

9/28/22 5:43pm

The BYU O is ranked #41 in Total O. The BYU D is ranked #37 in Total D.

slatecoug

9/28/22 10:59pm

Lol no one uses those analytics to evaluate Too generalized…..

kotacoug

9/29/22 8:44am

You are correct, I was on TBS back in the day. I even kept the same board name

slatecoug

9/29/22 1:49pm

RE: The offense is significantly better than the defense I don’t care if

Bluedarts

9/28/22 11:53pm

Sorry if that’s too difficult to understand…. Let me spell it out….

kotacoug

9/29/22 8:45am

BYU is #81 in rushing yards allowed/game. The BYU D is #59 rushing yards/attempt

slatecoug

9/28/22 4:09pm

#78 in rushing yards allowed per rush according to ESPN.

kotacoug

9/28/22 6:06pm

ESPN also has BYU as #34 in Total D, but the NCAA has BYU at #37 in Total D.

slatecoug

9/28/22 11:04pm

Our run game and in particular our RB's have underperformed in 2 of the 4 games this year.

slatecoug

9/28/22 4:02pm

BYU ran for 17 more yards on 10 fewer carries against Wyoming than Air Force did the week before.

slatecoug

9/28/22 2:34pm

You may be right. There was a glimmer of hope with Davis, but it also might have

Bluedarts

9/28/22 3:39pm

BYU only ran 63 plays on O for the entire game. Why would Wyoming be tired?

slatecoug

9/28/22 3:55pm

Rushing is Wyoming’s bread and butter. They’re not a terrible team and we did pretty well shutting them down later in

Rat

9/28/22 2:47pm

When Wyo scored to take the lead 10-7 with 13:03 to go in the in the second quarter Wyo had 101 rushing yards.

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