Trying to be an Ivy would hurt more than help

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Feb 9, 2017
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CougarMandias

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Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

Trent

2/8/17 10:16pm

I'd love to see enrollment cut. We have the talent to be an elite academic school. No need to water things down......

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:25pm

The issue isn't the qualified students it is the quality of the professors and

Nat Gas Man

2/8/17 10:28pm

I'd say our top 10,000 students would compare very well to an Ivy... but once you get to our bottom quartile the pool

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:31pm

I completely agree our top 10,000 students compare very well with Ivy League.

Fatalplacebo

2/8/17 11:29pm

you nailed it!

warp

2/9/17 6:14am

Chuurch. Think how awesome it'd be if the 100k students in the BYU system were

Thunder Buddy

2/9/17 8:55am

This is how I got a B- in a class I averaged below 50% on my tests...

Pretorian

2/9/17 6:38am

I have a degree from an Ivy & I think that was true 20 yrs ago but not sure

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:29am

Perhaps I should have said

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:34am

I actually know this is true for the top 5000 applicants

(Private)

2/9/17 8:37am

Quality professors isn't the problem it used to be. Because BYU put out so many

Extra Biscuits

2/8/17 11:14pm

My brother is one of those. Undergrad BYU PhD and post doc at Yale and Stanford

mvtoro

2/9/17 1:03am

Totally true. Top grad programs are full of BYU alums or LDS alums of eg, Utah

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:36am

They need to expand

2FarGone

2/8/17 10:39pm

I wish it were different. I think the world would benefit more if we were to graduate more people into jobs that lead

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:51pm

Which companies won't hire you from BYU? I know lots of BYU alumni at all of the

YIsForBrigham

2/8/17 10:56pm

lots of companies don't recruit BYU. many simply say "Ivy only" or "Ivy+" meaning that they aren't

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:01pm

I'd be interested to know what companies are saying that. I've been recruited

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:38pm

I'm a hack, just say Trent's post...

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:39pm

the company I work for doesn't recruit there. Not enough diversity

fulano

2/9/17 7:37am

at least that's what the recruiting manager told me when I asked why no BYU

fulano

2/9/17 7:38am

I was told back in '02 that a major tech firm was getting pressure to not

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:32pm

Interesting take - which companies are we talking about?

Trent

2/8/17 11:01pm

Your post answers your own question. Kim mentioned a "big uptick in recruiting." This means our brand is better and

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:11pm

Fortune 1000 come, but Hedge Funds, PE Funds, and some i-banks - you're right.

Trent

2/8/17 11:19pm

My experience was vastly different, though I graduated around 2011/2012

NottherealJWill

2/8/17 11:27pm

What was your major? I graduated in 2012 and we were all heavily recruited.

jaromp

2/9/17 12:27am

The BYU STEM fair always has big names recruiting there as well.

OlanchoCoug

2/9/17 8:38am

I majored in finance.

NottherealJWill

2/9/17 9:16am

What Majors are we talking about? ALL of the top engineering companies were

Bert609

2/9/17 6:11am

I haven't heard of BYU closing many doors

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 6:44pm

RE: I'd love to see enrollment cut. We have the talent to be an elite academic

Bigfancoug

2/8/17 11:01pm

This times a million. We need to grow the donor base particularly the Utah donor

monkeycowboy

2/9/17 6:03am

Difficult to get into BYU if you live in Utah. Need to increase # of students

boscatar

2/9/17 10:18am

For comparison

boscatar

2/9/17 10:18am

Why do people think it's harder for Utah kids to get into BYU?

stonewallperry

2/9/17 1:13pm

Because it's true. There are numerous cases

boscatar

2/10/17 2:45pm

Water things down? Lol. That fear you have is the dumbest idea ever.

Fatalplacebo

2/8/17 11:20pm

If nothing else, if your job may require relationships with other companies

BYUFam1

2/9/17 7:12am

Uh, who is "we?" You're not a student. And you're being an insult to those

southernfriedcougar

2/9/17 8:52am

Graduate programs accomplish this.

PhilPete

2/9/17 9:02am

This is 100% wrong IMO.

WHO DEY

2/9/17 10:26am

I couldn't disagree more. I don't want BYU to full of a bunch of entitled,

stonewallperry

2/9/17 1:07pm

I would be very surprised if they increase enrollment. But the key will be if

Nat Gas Man

2/8/17 10:27pm

Can you imagine the traffic in Provo/Orem with 30K more students? Yikes.

Bgash

2/8/17 10:44pm

They would need a decent East/West road

YIsForBrigham

2/8/17 10:57pm

eBikes

Trent

2/8/17 11:02pm

It would require a vehicle free campus

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 8:49am

BYU currently won't allow new buildings to expand total square footage on campus

stonewallperry

2/9/17 1:15pm

So you work at Traeger, huh?

Mike Honcho

2/8/17 10:30pm

No, but I was there to support Jeremy and I go to MWCN stuff sometimes

Trent

2/8/17 10:37pm

Sometimes I wish Kalani was more like the curmudgeon Bill Belichick or Saban.

Gerald-DeGroot

2/8/17 10:45pm

You know, I might have considered making a joke that even Gerald couldn't

dilbert

2/8/17 10:52pm

I'm not complaining about how likeable he is. I'm complaining

Gerald-DeGroot

2/8/17 11:01pm

You're complaining about how much BYU fans like Kalani. Close enough.

YIsForBrigham

2/8/17 11:16pm

college football is very different from pros - recruiting makes it so.... Being likable is an asset worth exploiting.

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:53pm

I'm not saying it can't work. Coaches like Dabo are very likeable and successful

Gerald-DeGroot

2/8/17 10:59pm

BYU's competitive advantage is our access to elite Poly athletes. I think a likable coach has a better chance of

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:04pm

I agree with that.

Gerald-DeGroot

2/8/17 11:16pm

You think Bronco had a mediocre record?! Most schools would kill for a

ugo1st

2/8/17 11:39pm

College football records are relative. His was very mediocre.

Gerald-DeGroot

2/9/17 12:10am

You forgot to add "flame away" at the end of your post.

Flyski

2/9/17 3:14am

Kalani won in East Lansing against a playoff team from the previous year.

buckeyecougarguy

2/9/17 2:48pm

It was a solid win for sure. But that Michigan state team was terrible last year

Gerald-DeGroot

2/9/17 10:01pm

it doesn't carry the same weight as if they beat them the year before, but

buckeyecougarguy

2/10/17 12:14pm

On the topic of demand, did caffenated beverages come up?

ToasterChive

2/8/17 11:41pm

You lost me at "the Ute fans were being decent"

jaredm

2/9/17 12:27am

Hard to believe, I know

Trent

2/9/17 9:53am

A football major? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

OpusX

2/9/17 2:16am

Do you feel the same way about existing majors like Dance?

Trent

2/9/17 9:54am

I do. I think dance is ridiculous. Let's get a football major.

yaxcoug

2/9/17 10:34am

I took a basketball class at BYU. It was half a credit.

OpusX

2/9/17 4:03pm

Dance is considered: "Art" So is speaking another language, ie "language art"

HangookCoug

2/9/17 12:11pm

Don't think enrollment will expand ever

Cosmo4life

2/9/17 2:25am

RE: Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

Opietheman

2/9/17 3:10am

I stopped reading after "I have not done any resurch" [sic]

mncougar

2/9/17 9:29am

53% is high - good point. But avg is 29 ACT and 3.8 GPA - pretty high I'd say

Trent

2/9/17 9:57am

Acceptance rate at BYU v other schools is not apples to apples

jkccoug

2/9/17 10:23am

RE: Acceptance rate at BYU v other schools is not apples to apples

Opietheman

2/9/17 7:24pm

I think they only way enrollment could expand is if they raised tuition.

jensen46

2/9/17 5:58am

I don't think money is the issue

2FarGone

2/9/17 6:36am

I think money is a really big part. BYU is hugely money losing for the church.

colton

2/9/17 7:41am

You met Kalani and your conversation was about administrative university stuff?

fulano

2/9/17 7:21am

Both topics tie back to competitive advantages for football

Trent

2/9/17 10:00am

Trying to be an Ivy would hurt more than help

CougarMandias

2/9/17 9:13am

Wow! Such elitism.

jlhazlewood

2/9/17 10:03am

the old - let's strive to be mediocre argument. At least you're willing to be candid about your quest for mediocrity...

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 10:18am

Byu will never be an elite school with the continual online programs it offers

Fatalplacebo

2/9/17 11:23am

Harvard and MIT have their courses online too. I agree that BYU will never be elite but it won't because I didn't

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 11:29am

I believe Harvard requires you to attend school in conjunction with online

Fatalplacebo

2/9/17 11:57am

Here's a list of free courses that anyone can take

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 1:44pm

1) we are much better than the U 2) we still don't have the room even with

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 2:10pm

Also, people that get at 4.0 almost never make the best employees. Some do, most

fulano

2/9/17 11:06am

let me guess.... you're not a hiring manager???

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 11:09am

LOL, Why the assumption that people don't work their but off to make 4.0?

WhiteKnight

2/9/17 11:23am

You're right... BYU's mission is to provide opportunities to everybody

Bgash

2/9/17 11:46am

RE: Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

CoolB

2/9/17 1:00pm

If your kids have a 4.0 and high ACT score it probably won't be hard to get

stonewallperry

2/9/17 1:17pm

I still hate the thought of doubling enrollment. Provo high isn't enough space

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 1:59pm

they could go back to having a full blown night program...the campus is under

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 2:05pm

I'm not sure I agree about under utilization when every singles ward meets

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 2:15pm

I was referring to night. Many of the big public schools have a whole other

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 3:55pm

Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 6:54pm

Here's a chart on people per acre in NYC. Manhattan is 102/acre and overall we're at 42 (just as your

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 2:08pm

That's interesting. The only part of Columbias campus that I have visited is the

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 2:17pm

Lets start buying up houses around campus and expanding the live around campus

monkeycowboy

2/9/17 2:20pm

Agreed. It can be done, I just think it gets thrown around here without

Harrison0Yfan

2/9/17 2:26pm

I think campus expansion is difficult

CoolB

2/9/17 7:32pm

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