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Sep 13, 2017
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Supercoug
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I think if ballen had used it in a degrading way, I'd be offended. Clearly he's trying to help someone.
I therefore find it hard to be offended.
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Can an illegal alien go to BYU?
ballen
9/13/17 8:50am
I know some that did.
blueaussie
9/13/17 8:51am
They say that Women are from Venus
BYULAWGUY
9/13/17 8:52am
You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term
nashty
9/13/17 8:55am
You as an immigration attorney should know that the term "illegal alien" is how
cheezedawg
9/13/17 8:59am
i don't care what the INA says i can have my own personal opinion about the term
nashty
9/13/17 9:45am
You can't have a personal definition on terms, though
Skeptical Optimist
9/13/17 9:47am
i don't have my own definition. i know what it means. "undocumented person"
nashty
9/13/17 9:48am
"Alien" means "foreigner". "Person" does not mean "foreigner".
canofpicante
9/13/17 2:14pm
Yes, but nashty doesn't recognize the definitions of the Constitution, the IRS
Ozymandias
9/13/17 3:34pm
But you went way beyond just having a personal opinion - you corrected another
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 9:52am
you have reading comprehension problems if you believe what you just posted
nashty
9/13/17 9:57am
I'll take that to mean you can't refute my point.
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 10:00am
i can...read through this thread. i'm not explaining everything again. and i
nashty
9/13/17 10:10am
I didn't say "attacked", I said "corrected". Big difference. I've read the
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 10:23am
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Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 10:17am
Yeah, you DEFINITELY voted for Hillary. And, no, I don't care at all if
BleedCougarBlue2
9/13/17 2:33pm
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MMCougIII
9/13/17 3:40pm
BS. An "illegal alien" is an "illegal alien". You voted 4 Hillary, didn't you?
BleedCougarBlue2
9/13/17 9:01am
pathetic
ag4cougs
9/13/17 9:32am
What....you voted for Hillary, too? PC runs amok here at CB. Sad.
BleedCougarBlue2
9/13/17 2:31pm
RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term
maxpowers
9/13/17 9:02am
Are you gunning for one of the new Mod positions?
ballen
9/13/17 9:03am
That's what I heard.
SandYFan
9/13/17 9:27am
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Abe Froman
9/13/17 12:48pm
what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"
nashty
9/13/17 9:44am
RE: what on earth does my stance on this term have to do with the new "mod election"
indocoug
9/13/17 10:17am
LOL...i'm the one riled up...look at the 50 other people in this thread with
nashty
9/13/17 10:25am
I think it was meant in jest. I know that is what the meme was intended as well. But your reaction to
indocoug
9/13/17 11:00am
Isn't that a real and legal term that has been used for decades?
sgriff
9/13/17 9:04am
Yes. But some get hurt feelings for being called exactly what they are.
maxpowers
9/13/17 9:05am
The word mentally Retarded was a medical term for a long time too but it's no
GeauxCougs
9/13/17 9:09am
I don't feel like kow towing to the perpetual victims
cheezedawg
9/13/17 9:17am
that's fine and I'm fine with the term illegal immigrant, but terms do change
GeauxCougs
9/13/17 9:37am
So how long do we have with intellectually disabled before that turns into
kotacoug
9/13/17 9:38am
maybe, but the term MR is not an okay term. you of all people, as a healthcare
GeauxCougs
9/13/17 9:43am
The word "retarded" was hijacked and used as an adjective to describe someone or something stupid
Conan
9/13/17 2:13pm
RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term
RSLCoug
9/13/17 9:06am
I think the "illegal" part bugs them more than the "alien" part.
cheezedawg
9/13/17 9:18am
Here. You'd think an immigration attorney wouldn't need this, but...
maxpowers
9/13/17 9:10am
Degrading unless Sting sings about it, then it's cool, amiright?
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 9:10am
Ok, I'll bite. How is it degrading? Is resident alien a degrading term?
Skeptical Optimist
9/13/17 9:18am
I get that it's maybe the correct legal term, but to me it takes the "human"
che flaco
9/13/17 9:52am
Aliens are human. Check a dictionary
kotacoug
9/13/17 11:16am
I think if ballen had used it in a degrading way, I'd be offended. Clearly he's trying to help someone.
Supercoug
9/13/17 9:40am
who said i'm personally offended? i just don't like calling people "aliens". i
nashty
9/13/17 9:46am
Let me guess, you also don't think a cheap person should be called niggardly?
DirtyWater
9/14/17 7:55pm
The thing that I hate about illegal aliens is that they do illegal things
Backcountry
9/13/17 9:52am
I think that's humane and fair, but wouldn't illegal immigrant be more
SWP
9/13/17 9:59am
"Hitman" is so perjorative, I prefer "unlicensed exterminator"
Gil Buckman
9/13/17 10:19am
“He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool . . . " B. Young.
protonspring
9/13/17 10:30am
It's the correct English word. Just because many now associate it with little
DB Cooper
9/13/17 10:47am
LOL. Are you kidding me? First off I'm so tired of everyone being so easily
chazen
9/13/17 10:49am
"Nashty" is an offensive and derogatory term for Steve Nash and people like him.
protonspring
9/13/17 10:55am
As an immigration attorney, you know probably better than almost anyone the answer to the OP's question
KingDave
9/13/17 10:58am
You're asking why the lawyer is arguing?
Breaded Hamster
9/13/17 2:40pm
You're right that it is a degrading term. But wrong to claim they are not aliens
frontrowcougar
9/13/17 11:15am
Yet when we travel to the moon or mars, we are Aliens. #DoubleStandard
Y2k
9/13/17 11:49am
RE: You mean an "undocumented person"? They aren't aliens. Degrading term
zonacougar
9/13/17 12:06pm
Nashty, you're debating semantics brother. Illegal is a correct term and an alien is exactly what they are by INA
Cheesy Gordita
9/13/17 12:11pm
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MMCougIII
9/13/17 3:34pm
Words are hard. Especially the English ones. Let me help you.
Pimpin4Paradise
9/13/17 6:51pm
I'm offended by trying to soften the law breaking by changing "illegal" to
StantonMac
9/14/17 6:20am
I agree. I don't like the term either.
Y-Phile
9/14/17 9:56am
As far as I know immigrations status has no bearing at BYU.
El Fuego
9/13/17 8:59am
RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?
RSLCoug
9/13/17 8:59am
I know that they can go on missions, so I assume they could go to BYU too.
cougfromcali
9/13/17 9:07am
And serve as bishops
TheMaineCougar
9/13/17 9:10am
and stake presidents, and sealers.
TeeKaa
9/13/17 9:31am
The Church calls illegals to serve as bishops and as full-time missionaries, so
chilango
9/13/17 9:08am
Because they are required to have the right documentation.
RSLCoug
9/13/17 9:10am
According to this, there are lots of universities that admit illegals, and even
chilango
9/13/17 9:22am
I've had friends turned down because of it. I disagree with it, but they've been turned down.
RSLCoug
9/13/17 9:24am
Official BYU policy is that you need legal status to be admitted.
Mexicancougar
9/13/17 9:30am
So they should be dishonest to get admitted to BYU?
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 9:35am
They're not being dishonest.
Mexicancougar
9/13/17 9:47am
Are they asked if they're a citizen of the United States?
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 9:58am
That would be a strange question to ask, as it has nothing to do with anything
chilango
9/13/17 2:33pm
Among other things, citizenship status controls eligibility for financial aid.
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 2:46pm
Many people confuse "citizenship" with "permanent residence" (i.e. green cards).
chilango
9/13/17 2:51pm
I think we've drifted from the main point. Permanent residents are not the same
Dread Pirate Westley
9/13/17 3:00pm
Those aren't actually laws, they're proposed laws -- but I still agree with you.
cougfromcali
9/13/17 9:13am
Lol, and the church is always 100% right in everything they do
Backcountry
9/13/17 9:53am
This isn't a discussion about right vs wrong, but about whether BYU admits
chilango
9/13/17 10:32am
It's batting average is probably higher than ours.
ag4cougs
9/13/17 11:05am
Yes they can.
Mexicancougar
9/13/17 9:27am
Thanks.
ballen
9/13/17 9:30am
Wow... I wonder if we can get the HC office to look the other way a few times
kotacoug
9/13/17 9:41am
I was the YM President of one who is at BYUI now.
NVACougar
9/13/17 10:29am
Here are instructions for how undocumented students should apply to Utah
chilango
9/13/17 9:40am
Yes but good luck finding a parking spot for their space ship.
IceCreamButt
9/13/17 2:46pm
Yes, I know of one from my ward that is a freshman
mosterlow
9/13/17 3:52pm
Just ask. I've known missionaries who were not here legally. The Church really
TailgateU
9/13/17 4:17pm
Yes
byuTX
9/13/17 7:29pm
RE: Can an illegal alien go to BYU?
rmreitz
9/14/17 1:55pm
are you worried that he might be deported and what that will do to your family?
NVACougar
9/16/17 8:11am
If your daughter is a U.S. citizen, cannot the man she marries be given
Bullrider
9/16/17 8:24am
It's not automatic. I have a friend who married a US citizen like 10 years ago,
chilango
9/16/17 9:15am
My understanding of immigration
rmreitz
9/18/17 1:03pm
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