We need to stop assuming that good players will make good coaches

Dec 6, 2017
9:25:06am

Mike Honcho All-American

Bring them back in some capacity with the AD if we want them around the program. Just because they could play well back in their day doesn’t mean they know how to teach or coach.

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Mike Honcho

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For those who are on the "Fire Cahoon" train...

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:14am

Bad technique. Guys still turning their hands the wrong way to get the ball.

byubyu

12/6/17 9:17am

These are the responses I want to hear. I don't know what to look for when

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:18am

the answer is this simple

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 11:19am

So you don't think he should be let go?

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 12:51pm

players dropped a lot of balls this year

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 1:27pm

He is teaching the guys to turn their hands the wrong way?

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:19am

Either that or he's not getting them to turn them the right way.

byubyu

12/6/17 9:21am

That's something you literally learn in Jr. High football.

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:22am

Isn't that sort of the point? I seriously saw these WRs do things this year

GOR

12/6/17 11:06am

I’ll bite. Give me examples...

J-Rant

12/6/17 12:38pm

I did below

GOR

12/6/17 12:55pm

What if the ball isn't coming at them where they expect it to be? Just as much

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:22am

Then they adjust. Not every throw is on the numbers.

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 9:25am

This is ground breaking coaching stuff. How do we get this info to the WRs?

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:33am

Dunno. LoneCougar seems to think that the ball not being in a 1’x1’ window or so

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 8:21pm

Clearly, but that isn't the Pro Style/West Coast system that Ty has been trying

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:44am

Yeah the timing has to be right and the ball has to be there, but whether the

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 8:20pm

default technique is thumbs in, pinkies in is only when it is below your numbers

12/6/17 11:59am

His charges perform poorly.

Archaea

12/6/17 12:27pm

We eat our own and won't stop until every great ex-player hates BYU.

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:20am

We need to stop assuming that good players will make good coaches

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 9:25am

I agree. I also think Cahoon is much better than he is given credit for

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:29am

When he's fired, the proof will be in the pudding.

byubyu

12/6/17 10:25am

Everyone on cb needs to read your post.

conflictedcoug

12/6/17 9:37am

We also need to stop assuming our BYU football heros make great coaches

CougarCanuck76

12/6/17 9:42am

Hm. Five people have me on ignore. I think I just found out who one of them is.

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 10:41am

Position coaches are only as good as the talent they can recruit in.

CB4

12/6/17 9:28am

4.3 speed at BYU from multiple WRs???? Sorry Ben, but CHOOOCHOOOO>>>

CougarCanuck76

12/6/17 9:41am

You are putting blame on Cahoon that should be put on Ty at this point.

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:46am

Yup. We wasted Jonah's wheels for 2 years in a non functioning Westcoast O

fulano

12/6/17 10:00am

Great point re speed...

ZooBlue

12/6/17 11:38am

Let’s be honest: 98% of CB has no idea what “proper WR technique” is

SJS

12/6/17 9:44am

This is why I am looking for specifics from those people as to why he should be

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:47am

Just as with Ty, you look at the product on the field.

FatherOFive

12/6/17 9:58am

Talon Shumway might be the whitest name ever.

CrimsonCardinal

12/6/17 10:03am

Whiter than say John Smith? I think not. And who cares anyway?

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/6/17 10:06am

I've never known of another talon, white or black. I guess it's sort of a cool name. I've never heard of a black Shumway

Brisco

12/6/17 12:10pm

I take it back, Remington Peck is the whitest name.

CrimsonCardinal

12/6/17 7:19pm

Route running was garbage. Technique to get separation was not there.

Adrielle

12/6/17 10:17am

Not one Cahoon critic has...

J-Rant

12/6/17 10:37am

Ok you just said Cahoon has been a "solid WR coach". Where is your data?

GOR

12/6/17 11:10am

you're right and you're wrong

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 11:24am

Holliday is not a better teacher of WR technique than Cahoon.

cougarnw

12/6/17 11:07am

If you can get higher caliber guys in the first place

Lip Gallagher

12/6/17 7:02pm

Byu never has world beaters at WR, yet they've made do in the past.

LifelongAP

12/6/17 11:27am

Yet, as Canuck76 points out above, we had rare speed this year... bummer...

ZooBlue

12/6/17 11:42am

Here are some anecdotal specifics

GOR

12/6/17 11:40am

couple of good points

12/6/17 12:21pm

Totally agree. The effort issue can't be placed squarely on Cahoon.

GOR

12/6/17 12:57pm

I agree with most of your points, but I keep wondering everytime its brought

cdr88

12/6/17 1:03pm

Add, "Not coming back to the ball on stop/hitch routes"

Accipiter

12/6/17 1:28pm

Blackmon was amazing with that. Kurtz was pretty good as well.

Lip Gallagher

12/6/17 7:04pm

Of course it's coaching. You can coach passion and intensity. You can bring that

Ash

12/6/17 2:19pm

Did you watch the WRs during his tenure now at the school as well as his first

kimdaddy35

12/6/17 12:02pm

Lazy sloppy routes, looking clueless as to what read to make ..... those should be coachable things.

Dillinger

12/6/17 12:09pm

Everything you point out is the same reason why Ty Detmer was fired.

ToasterChive

12/6/17 12:10pm

Here's Just One Random Young Opinion

YsTanman11

12/6/17 12:39pm

Do you think it's a lack of humility? If you look for answers (pay) someone

cdr88

12/6/17 1:11pm

You bring up a very valid and interesting point

YsTanman11

12/6/17 1:19pm

Then did our WR's struggle to get separation and never learned to come back to

ManicBlue

12/6/17 1:51pm

Curious if you have been to any of the receiver tech camps

12/6/17 2:28pm

I think Mahe should leave before Cahoon

stev

12/6/17 12:46pm

It's not all on him, sure

Byu_1988

12/6/17 1:11pm

What are you talking about? Those WR's are all household names!

Ash

12/6/17 2:15pm

The level of competition gets credit for Squallys breakout 2nd half.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/6/17 2:30pm

Cahoon had a poor record before, got fired, Guy Holliday is brought in

Circaman12

12/6/17 6:23pm

Awful technique two straight years, not separation, poor catching abilities

Y4LYFE

12/6/17 7:24pm

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