Holliday is not a better teacher of WR technique than Cahoon.

Dec 6, 2017
11:07:00am

cougarnw Contributor

He was a solid recruiter and motivator but doubt the WRs who played for both would say that Holliday is better at teaching technical aspects of the position than Cahoon.

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For those who are on the "Fire Cahoon" train...

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:14am

Bad technique. Guys still turning their hands the wrong way to get the ball.

byubyu

12/6/17 9:17am

These are the responses I want to hear. I don't know what to look for when

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:18am

the answer is this simple

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 11:19am

So you don't think he should be let go?

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 12:51pm

players dropped a lot of balls this year

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 1:27pm

He is teaching the guys to turn their hands the wrong way?

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:19am

Either that or he's not getting them to turn them the right way.

byubyu

12/6/17 9:21am

That's something you literally learn in Jr. High football.

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:22am

Isn't that sort of the point? I seriously saw these WRs do things this year

GOR

12/6/17 11:06am

I’ll bite. Give me examples...

J-Rant

12/6/17 12:38pm

I did below

GOR

12/6/17 12:55pm

What if the ball isn't coming at them where they expect it to be? Just as much

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:22am

Then they adjust. Not every throw is on the numbers.

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 9:25am

This is ground breaking coaching stuff. How do we get this info to the WRs?

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:33am

Dunno. LoneCougar seems to think that the ball not being in a 1’x1’ window or so

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 8:21pm

Clearly, but that isn't the Pro Style/West Coast system that Ty has been trying

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:44am

Yeah the timing has to be right and the ball has to be there, but whether the

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 8:20pm

default technique is thumbs in, pinkies in is only when it is below your numbers

12/6/17 11:59am

His charges perform poorly.

Archaea

12/6/17 12:27pm

We eat our own and won't stop until every great ex-player hates BYU.

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:20am

We need to stop assuming that good players will make good coaches

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 9:25am

I agree. I also think Cahoon is much better than he is given credit for

Triggerhappybunny

12/6/17 9:29am

When he's fired, the proof will be in the pudding.

byubyu

12/6/17 10:25am

Everyone on cb needs to read your post.

conflictedcoug

12/6/17 9:37am

We also need to stop assuming our BYU football heros make great coaches

CougarCanuck76

12/6/17 9:42am

Hm. Five people have me on ignore. I think I just found out who one of them is.

Mike Honcho

12/6/17 10:41am

Position coaches are only as good as the talent they can recruit in.

CB4

12/6/17 9:28am

4.3 speed at BYU from multiple WRs???? Sorry Ben, but CHOOOCHOOOO>>>

CougarCanuck76

12/6/17 9:41am

You are putting blame on Cahoon that should be put on Ty at this point.

TheLoneCougar

12/6/17 9:46am

Yup. We wasted Jonah's wheels for 2 years in a non functioning Westcoast O

fulano

12/6/17 10:00am

Great point re speed...

ZooBlue

12/6/17 11:38am

Let’s be honest: 98% of CB has no idea what “proper WR technique” is

SJS

12/6/17 9:44am

This is why I am looking for specifics from those people as to why he should be

fredetteaboutit13

12/6/17 9:47am

Just as with Ty, you look at the product on the field.

FatherOFive

12/6/17 9:58am

Talon Shumway might be the whitest name ever.

CrimsonCardinal

12/6/17 10:03am

Whiter than say John Smith? I think not. And who cares anyway?

FiveTen-BuckEighty

12/6/17 10:06am

I've never known of another talon, white or black. I guess it's sort of a cool name. I've never heard of a black Shumway

Brisco

12/6/17 12:10pm

I take it back, Remington Peck is the whitest name.

CrimsonCardinal

12/6/17 7:19pm

Route running was garbage. Technique to get separation was not there.

Adrielle

12/6/17 10:17am

Not one Cahoon critic has...

J-Rant

12/6/17 10:37am

Ok you just said Cahoon has been a "solid WR coach". Where is your data?

GOR

12/6/17 11:10am

you're right and you're wrong

Jimmy Rocket

12/6/17 11:24am

Holliday is not a better teacher of WR technique than Cahoon.

cougarnw

12/6/17 11:07am

If you can get higher caliber guys in the first place

Lip Gallagher

12/6/17 7:02pm

Byu never has world beaters at WR, yet they've made do in the past.

LifelongAP

12/6/17 11:27am

Yet, as Canuck76 points out above, we had rare speed this year... bummer...

ZooBlue

12/6/17 11:42am

Here are some anecdotal specifics

GOR

12/6/17 11:40am

couple of good points

12/6/17 12:21pm

Totally agree. The effort issue can't be placed squarely on Cahoon.

GOR

12/6/17 12:57pm

I agree with most of your points, but I keep wondering everytime its brought

cdr88

12/6/17 1:03pm

Add, "Not coming back to the ball on stop/hitch routes"

Accipiter

12/6/17 1:28pm

Blackmon was amazing with that. Kurtz was pretty good as well.

Lip Gallagher

12/6/17 7:04pm

Of course it's coaching. You can coach passion and intensity. You can bring that

Ash

12/6/17 2:19pm

Did you watch the WRs during his tenure now at the school as well as his first

kimdaddy35

12/6/17 12:02pm

Lazy sloppy routes, looking clueless as to what read to make ..... those should be coachable things.

Dillinger

12/6/17 12:09pm

Everything you point out is the same reason why Ty Detmer was fired.

ToasterChive

12/6/17 12:10pm

Here's Just One Random Young Opinion

YsTanman11

12/6/17 12:39pm

Do you think it's a lack of humility? If you look for answers (pay) someone

cdr88

12/6/17 1:11pm

You bring up a very valid and interesting point

YsTanman11

12/6/17 1:19pm

Then did our WR's struggle to get separation and never learned to come back to

ManicBlue

12/6/17 1:51pm

Curious if you have been to any of the receiver tech camps

12/6/17 2:28pm

I think Mahe should leave before Cahoon

stev

12/6/17 12:46pm

It's not all on him, sure

Byu_1988

12/6/17 1:11pm

What are you talking about? Those WR's are all household names!

Ash

12/6/17 2:15pm

The level of competition gets credit for Squallys breakout 2nd half.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/6/17 2:30pm

Cahoon had a poor record before, got fired, Guy Holliday is brought in

Circaman12

12/6/17 6:23pm

Awful technique two straight years, not separation, poor catching abilities

Y4LYFE

12/6/17 7:24pm

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