I haven't seen many say that those games are unwinnable

Aug 20, 2018
5:11:19pm

Josef K All-American

Just that we will most likely lose. I think both are winnable, the Arizona game will be very difficult to win. The cal game is winnable and even cal fans would admit that.

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This bears repeating...Arizona and Cal should both be winnable games for a normal BYU football team.

Adrielle Stable Genius

8/20/18 3:01pm

Counterpoint for Tate: Sumlin has a much better passing scheme than RichRod

Coop

8/20/18 3:03pm

Probably true, but I'm not sure Tate has the arm to consistently complete passes

Adrielle

8/20/18 3:05pm

True, but Mazzone is his OC, so who knows what the scheme will be really. Definitely not RichRod read-option.

Turnpike Lane

8/20/18 3:05pm

The question is whether you believe this is a normal BYU team

BYU Fan

8/20/18 3:12pm

We lost to UMass and Utah State

Huge Manatee

8/20/18 3:14pm

It depends upon whether last year was an anomaly or not

2FarGone

8/20/18 3:18pm

I expect them to be improved, but it's pretty rare that a team makes a massive

CougarBacker

8/20/18 3:20pm

It's also rare for a team to do what they did in 2016 and then drop to what they did in 2017

Adrielle

8/20/18 4:04pm

Not really. But even so, being talented helps. I'm not sure that we are

CougarBacker

8/20/18 5:30pm

but it does happen...Notre Dame

BYURider

8/20/18 5:26pm

ND also has a lot more talent than we do

CougarBacker

8/20/18 5:30pm

I'm hoping injuries are the major reason for sucking last year...

Hill4Heisman

8/20/18 6:22pm

Me too. That and improved coaching especially on offense

CougarBacker

8/20/18 11:20pm

An anomaly would be due to something like injuries or bad luck

Huge Manatee

8/20/18 3:22pm

Injuries and bad luck played far more of a role than you seem to be willing to

basman

8/20/18 3:23pm

5 different QBs should let anyone see how much injuries played a role.

crack

8/20/18 3:25pm

We lost bad games even when our best QB played

Huge Manatee

8/20/18 3:25pm

Tell me how injuries and bad luck cost us the UMass game

Huge Manatee

8/20/18 3:25pm

I just don't see us as untalented as you do

2FarGone

8/20/18 3:29pm

Well, we lost our best o lineman and our best defender from last year

Huge Manatee

8/20/18 3:33pm

The worst is still our best unless you see something different? Injuries,

basman

8/20/18 3:22pm

Not sure if you watched BYU football in 2017, but yeah....

CougarBacker

8/20/18 3:15pm

I worry about our corners locking down man to man receivers

ExpectoCougarus

8/20/18 3:16pm

Tate is a legit Heisman candidate. He is an absolute beast and will be tough.

Iron Coug

8/20/18 3:22pm

Lots of Heisman candidates lose games.

boscatar

8/20/18 3:38pm

Not these ones.

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/20/18 4:47pm

ESPN gives BYU a 15% chance Arizona and 20% vs Cal. That's why people are so fearful

Indy Coug

8/20/18 3:25pm

Honest question - upon which factors/data is ESPN's 2018 FPI for BYU based?

boscatar

8/20/18 3:38pm

He's been on BYUSN before explaining what they do. He's a BYU grad

Indy Coug

8/20/18 3:52pm

I am not sure some of you are grasping what is going on with BYU football.

Goatnapper'96

8/20/18 3:38pm

Arizona could be a really good team, even our best team of the last 17 years

Windward_Coug

8/20/18 3:56pm

There aren't many years where we would be favored vs a borderline top 25 p5 team

Josef K

8/20/18 3:59pm

He didn't say being favored. He said they're plenty winnable.

Lip Gallagher

8/20/18 4:54pm

I haven't seen many say that those games are unwinnable

Josef K

8/20/18 5:11pm

Neither have I (well, from reasonable people who haven't let the sky smash them

Lip Gallagher

8/20/18 6:01pm

I agree

Josef K

8/20/18 8:11pm

They're both winnable for this BYU team.

RedSox

8/20/18 4:00pm

"Winnable" is such a nebulous term. BYU has well below a 50% chance of winning either game.

Indy Coug

8/20/18 4:20pm

Cal

RedSox

8/20/18 6:35pm

I think cal is a toss up. UofA is not a great team.

RedSox

8/20/18 6:35pm

I am with the man who knows numbers “unlikely” is a better term than “winnable”

Bonoman

8/20/18 6:46pm

Every game is winnable if you show up, but you are delusional if you think

BrotherBrighamsBeard

8/20/18 4:50pm

Not taking about every game.

Adrielle

8/20/18 5:04pm

Should be, but we're not the same BYU we used to be

CougarBacker

8/20/18 5:33pm

I don’t like it, but normal has changed.

byujdmba

8/20/18 4:40pm

Not should be. They are. There are basically two unwinnable games. That's it.

Lip Gallagher

8/20/18 4:53pm

How many of us thought we’d even stay close with OU in 2009, especially after

pegushin

8/20/18 4:59pm

Yep. There's really no such thing as unwinnable.

Lip Gallagher

8/20/18 5:03pm

I did. We started the season ranked #19. We were exponentially more talented

CougarBacker

8/20/18 5:34pm

Arizona ain’t world beaters like OU was going to be until we destroyed their

pegushin

8/20/18 5:41pm

All the teams you're talking about were much more talented teams than this one

CougarBacker

8/20/18 11:21pm

The only thing that makes them tough is that we're not very good

CougarBacker

8/20/18 5:34pm

That form requires Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams.

CougLuv1

8/20/18 5:33pm

This is worth repeating, this is a Kalani coached team not a normal BYU team.

Bullrider

8/20/18 6:00pm

it’s eeally fear of the unknown at this point...none of us has a clue how this season will play out

Bonoman

8/20/18 6:43pm

Cal’s defense will be pretty good this year

Josef K

8/20/18 11:28pm

If there's a weakness, I think it will still be run D.

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