we are discussing the reasons, it is called a discussion. No one is maligning utah or saying it wasn't a win but every game is won or lost for reasons and we are discussing the reasons because this is a discussion board. And yes I know a thing or two about football, certainly enough to analyze a game and understand what happened and why it happened. Utah didn't just coast along until the end and suddenly "wake up" and decide it was time to win, that is the stupidity I was addressing. Utah was being beaten, soundly beaten, and then some things occurred that changed the game as I described in my post that you made your stupid reply to. And of course Utah is a good team so when opportunities presented themselves they took advantage and went on to win, which good teams do. But the stupid fallacy that they just coasted along until the 4th quarter and then decided to go ahead and win is ridiculous and so I addressed that idiocy.