Except we don’t actually know if it helped them win the WS. We know that they

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Feb 18, 2020
8:05:52am

Scratch All-American

Except we don’t actually know if it helped them win the WS. We know that they

got it wrong enough to be a statistical push. So it might not have actually helped them win the WS. It could have benefitted them, but the actual numbers that we do have and that we can analyze show that, in general, the scheme was not providing a significant benefit.

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Imagine trying to hit one of these pitches without knowing what was coming

Medute

2/18/20 7:21am

But everybody steals signs. Did the Astros go too far? Yes. But to think that

rggee

2/18/20 7:23am

So the Astros went too far and cheated to win a WS

Medute

2/18/20 7:26am

Correct. The Red Sox also cheated and are being investigated.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:29am

I guarantee the Yankees did too. Just ask Carlos Beltran.

rggee

2/18/20 7:33am

"The report noted that the Yankees had been using their video replay room to

rggee

2/18/20 7:37am

Fan of cheating team tries to sling dirt at others to downplay cheating. Nah.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:38am

To think this was isolated to 1 or 2 teams is simply naive. I'm sure at least

rggee

2/18/20 7:40am

I’m sure all the fans of cheating teams will tell themselves that.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:46am

That's a really bad attempt at justification, and your guarantee isn't worth anything

jdub

2/18/20 7:48am

I'm not justifying it. It crossed the line 100% and needs to stop.

rggee

2/18/20 8:20am

RE: To think this was isolated to 1 or 2 teams is simply naive. I'm sure at

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:33am

You can "thumbs down" me all you want. That doesn't change the fact that it's...

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:58am

Astros are the only ones who

memento

2/18/20 7:41am

Have you seen the reaction of just about every other team about the ...

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:10am

If everyone is doing it, how are the Astros the only team to go from worst

AZ Coug

2/18/20 10:40pm

The same crappy lineup? Huh?

Scratch

2/18/20 10:54pm

Blind Hate

GulfCoastcoug

2/19/20 7:57am

Yep. So the cheating didn't help them, right?

AZ Coug

2/19/20 5:32pm

Where are you getting this 3 years concept

GulfCoastcoug

2/20/20 10:58pm

There are obvious reason to believe it's been 3 years (or more) and frankly,...

COACHdrn

2/21/20 12:23am

So be it

GulfCoastcoug

2/21/20 7:21am

Do the stats support your claim?

Baron

2/18/20 7:24am

5 players' postseason stats from 2017

Medute

2/18/20 7:30am

And? What are their historical splits? Other teams splits?

Baron

2/18/20 7:31am

They were doing it at home and on the road. Sample sizes that small are almost

Scratch

2/18/20 7:46am

Not being provocative, really! What pitch is each of those supposed to depict?

StarMan

2/18/20 7:34am

WOW, I just came up with a good punishment for the Astros batters....

StarMan

2/18/20 7:36am

Not sure how or why anyone couldn’t easily understand how big of a deal and

2/18/20 7:37am

Come on- for professionals it’s a huge deal. For 95% of us we could know 100%

SouthernBlueBlood

2/18/20 7:44am

Now imagine trying to hit one of those pitches when you’re pretty sure a

Scratch

2/18/20 7:52am

Other than helping them win the WS you mean.

jdub

2/18/20 8:00am

Except we don’t actually know if it helped them win the WS. We know that they

Scratch

2/18/20 8:05am

So the punishment should be lighter

memento

2/18/20 8:19am

Nope, never said that. I'm only addressing the argument that it provided some

Scratch

2/18/20 8:35am

If it didn’t provide a benefit they would have stopped

memento

2/18/20 9:03am

They did stop. And the evidence shows that it did not really help.

Scratch

2/18/20 9:11am

Except they used it in the playoffs, so clearly they thought

memento

2/18/20 10:21am

READ MY POSTS, I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T BAD. I SAID IT WAS BAD AND THEY SHOULD BE

Scratch

2/18/20 10:24am

YELLING WORKS!

memento

2/18/20 10:45am

Not yelling wasn’t working. The efficacy of the cheating should have no bearing

Scratch

2/18/20 10:47am

But P.S. the opposite is also true; people can’t argue that the punishment

Scratch

2/18/20 10:52am

The punishment is light no matter what.

memento

2/18/20 1:26pm

And P.S., at the time of the 2017 playiffs they obviously believed it was worth

Scratch

2/18/20 10:25am

You have evidence they stopped?

Colorado

2/18/20 11:13am

Yep. That's what everyone said and that MLB's investigation agreed.

Scratch

2/18/20 11:24am

MLB only said they didn't find evidence. It may be conspiratorial, but the

Colorado

2/18/20 2:16pm

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