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1983 and 1981

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I've always thought the 1996 team was the best BYU has ever had.

BlueLine

11/30/20 10:52pm

A prominent player on the 1996 team is a friend of mine. Paraphrasing, he has said that that team was 1 or 2 players

pt crasher

11/30/20 10:57pm

IMO, there’s a case for that. There’s also a case that the ‘84 team was better.

gwalker

11/30/20 11:01pm

Yep! In fairness the '82-'85 rosters sent 27 players to the NFL, CFL and USFL.

LEDSFW

11/30/20 11:28pm

I honestly believe the 85 team was even better

BigYfan

11/30/20 11:33pm

In `85 Bosco had the bad shoulder and comparatively spaghetti arm

HootnHoller

12/1/20 12:12am

Yep, the 1985 team was 3 bad bounces away from repeating at national champs

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 1:50am

the difference was a pick 6 in each of the 3 games as I recall.

towerman

12/1/20 7:21am

Yes

BigYfan

12/1/20 11:14am

They also lost to UTEP, UTEP's only win of the season.

Marking Time

12/1/20 10:51am

If healthy 1985 was the better team- he were snake bit

1984coug

11/30/20 11:39pm

That 85 team flew around on defense

BigYfan

12/1/20 11:18am

Kelly Smith

1984coug

12/1/20 12:12pm

Exactly, he was so good too.

BigYfan

12/1/20 1:23pm

No offense, but that means nothing.

The Y's Insider

11/30/20 11:01pm

No offense taken. Saw a post about the 1996 team and was reminded of my friend's comment.

pt crasher

11/30/20 11:24pm

They beat UW that year and they might just win the NC. I mean, after BYU lost to UW, it took them 7 weeks to get back up

unctoothman

11/30/20 11:22pm

Horse should have tackled better, it could have defeated UW. Didn't!

LEDSFW

11/30/20 11:27pm

They were Corey Dillon choosing UW over BYU away from going undefeated.

Belboz

12/1/20 8:21am

Why would it take one or two more players to win that one game against UW?

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 9:58am

UW went away from Rashaan Shehee in the second half in favor of Corey Dillon

Belboz

12/1/20 11:22am

I actually thought Dillon might go to BYU.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 12:10pm

me too

Belboz

12/1/20 12:28pm

So how was byu 1 or 2 guys away from undefeated?

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 12:45pm

Corey Dillon made a huge difference for UW.

Belboz

12/1/20 1:19pm

Nope. But they were pretty good.

Zaphod

11/30/20 10:57pm

I’d agree with that but may be nostalgia talking.

Soupie

11/30/20 10:57pm

I respect your right to be wrong.

CougarThug

11/30/20 11:09pm

I'm not sure this year is better than 2006 to be honest, but I think 2006 is

cougaman

11/30/20 11:15pm

That Arizona loss really tarnished that team.

WP17

12/1/20 12:26am

PAC10 Refs took it to us that game

BlueLine

12/1/20 8:10am

I think the 1985 team was the best when healthy

TomPetty

11/30/20 11:21pm

A lot of injuries w/ Bosco being biggest.

Soupie

11/30/20 11:22pm

Position group battles 1984 v. 1996 v. 2020

arizonacougarfan

11/30/20 11:29pm

This is accurate

BYJung

11/30/20 11:34pm

1984 RBs are better than 2020, 1984 OL was the best- we had 5 others

1984coug

11/30/20 11:42pm

How is the 84 RB group better?

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 10:12am

Smith and heimuli were better than 2020s RBs

1984coug

12/1/20 12:13pm

Meh. Heimuli seems average. What was incredible about him?

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 3:21pm

2020 team sucks.

OPINIONS

11/30/20 11:46pm

GREAT analysis--looks like '96 (but would have to go with Lee Johnson punting).

HootnHoller

12/1/20 12:16am

what happens when you weight each category, and also include coaching as a facto

Hntrguy

12/1/20 12:23am

I’d put the 96 WR group ahead of the current one if only for their depth.

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 2:00am

96 WR group is definitely the best imo.

spugeddy24

12/1/20 2:06am

You'd swap Romney & Milne w KO & Mcguirre, huh? No way would I.

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 2:22am

Very few would. Receivers were not the highlight of the '96 team.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 7:24am

Kaipo made an active NFL roster, KO a practice squad

stansburycoug

12/1/20 10:25am

RE: Kaipo made an active NFL roster, KO a practice squad

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 10:45am

Maguire finally got his legs straight while running and became very, very fast.

Belboz

12/1/20 1:30pm

Different NFL then. KO & Kaipo were good

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 1:59pm

Romney can't even score (kidding). But yes, I would

spugeddy24

12/1/20 5:49pm

Would you also swap Michael Jordan for Ron Harper?

Jeffacka

12/1/20 5:55pm

I can't tell if you're serious? They were good, not great though.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 7:24am

no. 1996 receivers weren't close to the best unless you include Mili and Lewis

Belboz

12/1/20 8:22am

Don't think it's as big a stretch as most think

stansburycoug

12/1/20 10:14am

I'd take Romney over any receiver on that 1996 team.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 10:17am

I might, but not the collective

stansburycoug

12/1/20 11:56am

I'm not seeing it.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 12:19pm

You didn't like Dye or Cahoon?

stansburycoug

12/1/20 1:22pm

Sure, but their impact as WRs was minimal. Neither had many catches that year.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 1:24pm

I'd much rather have Pau'u going over the middle than Kaipo.

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 3:03pm

Pau'u has too many drops for my liking.

spugeddy24

12/1/20 5:51pm

This is a bad take

stansburycoug

12/1/20 6:12pm

Still not sure why Dye didn't stick in the NFL. He was a phenom as a returner

HootnHoller

12/1/20 10:36am

No surprise at all. He was puny. Incredible athlete, though. All 155 of him.

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 3:24pm

I tend to group WR and TE as the receiving corps.

spugeddy24

12/1/20 5:50pm

Wilson > Sark > Bosco; '84 DL > 2020 DL > '96 DL

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 2:14am

IMO Bosco doesn't even compare with Wilson

jellyfish

12/1/20 11:15am

Bosco was really tough & competitive

SinkingQuffa

12/1/20 4:34pm

You realize Kyle Morrell was 1st Team All-American?

Y05

12/1/20 4:27am

The only group you are wrong on is QB. Wilson is THAT good and is the reason BYU

idacoug

12/1/20 6:10am

Lee Johnson wasn't the best kicker

donnerstag

12/1/20 7:16am

Offense: 2020, Defense: 2020

Hill4Heisman

12/1/20 9:51am

Feel like Wilson is having one of the best QB seasons ever, by any team

Hill4Heisman

12/1/20 9:54am

RE: I've always thought the 1996 team was the best BYU has ever had.

FT487

11/30/20 11:59pm

In a mythical tournament, I’d take 1985, 1996, then 1984. 4th would be a tossup

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 1:56am

‘83, ‘84, and ‘85 were all very good. I think ‘83 might be the best.

PhilPete

12/1/20 3:56am

Isn’t that what Lavell said?

Nat Gas Man

12/1/20 7:23am

Why no 2001 love?

Jagger

12/1/20 5:38am

The defense was problematic. All other years in question had stout defenses.

gwalker

12/1/20 5:40am

which was strange in view of the talent level

towerman

12/1/20 7:22am

2001 was a good, but fatally flawed team that eventually got exposed.

shoganai

12/1/20 8:02am

I agree, our 1996 team was BYU's best ever.

fruitless

12/1/20 6:59am

I was on my mission in 96 and a little young for 84 so 2020 it is

Colorado

12/1/20 8:03am

The 96 team had two things very few BYU teams have ever had. And that almost

shoganai

12/1/20 8:04am

Also, IIRC we were ranked #5 and still didn’t get

BlueLine

12/1/20 8:16am

RE: Also, IIRC we were ranked #5 and still didn’t get

FT487

12/1/20 8:30am

Unfortunately, I can’t disagree with you

BlueLine

12/1/20 9:08am

Yep. #5 at 14-1. Florida was #1 at 12-1.

Soupie

12/1/20 10:44am

BYU got shafted by an unranked Texas upsetting #3 Nebraska in the Big XII title

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 1:25pm

I agree. And if they weren't better, then I am certainly more impressed...

BYUDM93

12/1/20 8:53am

I'm going with 1983 - Steve Young's senior year.

BlueFever

12/1/20 9:18am

You are 100% correct.

(Private)

12/1/20 9:36am

17-14 against New Mexico, 28-25 against Wyoming. 2020 is much better IMO.

Hill4Heisman

12/1/20 9:45am

They played 15 games! Set a record for the most ever played by a D-1 team

HootnHoller

12/1/20 9:49am

See 27-20 over UTSA even if it wasn't quite that close

Colorado

12/1/20 10:20am

New Mexico was 6-5 but Wyoming was 10-2 and ranked

Colorado

12/1/20 10:21am

Wyoming was actually really good that year

arizonacougarfan

12/1/20 10:23am

That Wyoming team was good--they were 7 points away from an undefeated season.

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 1:41pm

I don’t remember 84, too young

gww687

12/1/20 10:11am

2009 over 2006? Wow.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 10:25am

Yeah that's not even close.

Lip Gallagher

12/1/20 11:01am

1985 or 1981 probably the best. 85 D was amazing.

BlueTooth

12/1/20 10:13am

UTEP disqualifies '85 from the conversation.

The Y's Insider

12/1/20 11:16am

Go back and watch the games.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 11:22am

Yes, it's 12 games. And BYU lost 1/4 of them.

The Y's Insider

12/1/20 11:51am

They were easily the most talented.

Jeffacka

12/1/20 12:11pm

Perhaps. That's a different conversation.

The Y's Insider

12/1/20 1:15pm

"Most talented" is not mutually exclusive "best team"--to many it's synonymous

The Chelsea Dagger

12/1/20 1:38pm

Many people would be wrong. Lots of talented, bad teams.

The Y's Insider

12/1/20 1:39pm

I second that motion!

socorny

12/1/20 10:30am

1983 and 1981

BYU Grounds

12/1/20 10:38am

You could be right.

Mitty

12/1/20 11:07am

I heard Lavell say his 83 team was the best team he ever had. However, that was

RobDog

12/1/20 11:45am

I heard him say this as well.

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