I don't like the "hard-sell", but don't find it really unethical either

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Apr 30, 2021
2:16:24pm

Incentivize All-American

I don't like the "hard-sell", but don't find it really unethical either

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Incentivize

Previous username: cvore
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Joined: Dec 18, 2001
Last login: May 4, 2024
Total posts: 6,752 (28 FO)

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How does Todd Pedersen and Vivint execs avoid jail time for this?

YNWA

4/30/21 1:58pm

Oh man. That’s slimy. But not shocking for the Vivint bros.

Squirt

4/30/21 2:00pm

Because when you walk into a meeting with your hat tilted to the side, you can

pink22

4/30/21 2:00pm

Doubt Todd knew personally

byukarl

4/30/21 2:01pm

He probably should've done Undercover Boss a few more times

braddahmike

4/30/21 2:08pm

Leadership (or lack thereof) comes from the top.

beatnik

4/30/21 2:09pm

Sometimes with lawsuits like this the action and corrective behavior took place

byukarl

4/30/21 2:10pm

Article says it happened 2016-2019

YNWA

4/30/21 2:13pm

Well the Flex Pay option didn't exist until 2017

byukarl

4/30/21 2:25pm

Todd 100% knew. It was specific reps that were fired and hired back. One of them

Nuke

4/30/21 2:29pm

Yep. byukarl needs to go read the complaint. I don't know it its all true but if

Mikey

4/30/21 2:32pm

Shady sales tactics has been Vivint's MO since they were Apex Alarm. I know

CougarTailDevourer

4/30/21 6:21pm

Can TNT get some of that money?

TNT

4/30/21 2:01pm

That whole industry--home security, solar, pest control sales--is slimey.

4/30/21 2:02pm

Are all those former Mormon missionaries complicit then? Because that’s a lot

pink22

4/30/21 2:07pm

Yes.

Richard McCoy Jr.

4/30/21 2:08pm

Turns out a lot of people don't really care what they are doing if it makes them

BYUFootballisBack

4/30/21 2:08pm

No, it's no longer just LDS missionaries

byukarl

4/30/21 2:12pm

As was the mortgage/ real estate industry not 10 years ago

byukarl

4/30/21 2:15pm

Friend of mine used to sell pest in the summers right after high school

fredetteaboutit13

4/30/21 3:34pm

RE: How does Todd Pedersen and Vivint execs avoid jail time for this?

zonacougar

4/30/21 2:03pm

A few friends have had big issues with Vivint, including one who signed up for

4/30/21 2:03pm

Now that is something.

pink22

4/30/21 2:05pm

That's why you always have two systems. My solution though is to not have

rcbyufan

4/30/21 2:09pm

I hired a number of vivint employees over the years for sales roles. Sales ethics seemed to be a pretty new concept to

Pimpin4Paradise

4/30/21 2:06pm

not a good look for a bunch of LDS dudes who obviously know better

Mayor of Cougartown

4/30/21 2:12pm

Copy of the complaint.

Richard McCoy Jr.

4/30/21 2:14pm

ahh Vivint used to be Apex right?

v1k0u6

4/30/21 2:16pm

APX; but, yeah. Same company.

Narfin'Coug

4/30/21 2:38pm

Apex —> apx—> vivint

maxpowers

4/30/21 2:46pm

I don't like the "hard-sell", but don't find it really unethical either

Incentivize

4/30/21 2:16pm

Many of those Utah based home security companies have extremely shady business

Ozymandias

4/30/21 2:16pm

Most DTH companies have shady business practices.. I'd never buy from a guy off

byukarl

4/30/21 2:27pm

Guys got news for you...this is pretty common in almost every business where..

ordinary tri guy

4/30/21 2:33pm

message boards like this always have some ex employees or people who don't like

byukarl

4/30/21 2:38pm

Yea, I heard nothing but good things about him as well. But I would agree that

ordinary tri guy

4/30/21 2:44pm

The door to door teams more so then anyone here in Utah county

byukarl

4/30/21 2:50pm

Read the complaint. Corporate is not clean in this. They knew, fired them...

Richard McCoy Jr.

4/30/21 2:59pm

Todd is a great guy but some of his employees aren’t but I do think he

Nuke

4/30/21 2:48pm

Nobody wants to talk about the young boy he killed. Gave a

Stev_ie

4/30/21 3:14pm

This is a dumb post. I assume you’re talking about the kid he accidentally

Nuke

4/30/21 3:22pm

Vivint employee? He gave the speech. Get over it.

Stev_ie

4/30/21 3:28pm

Or jazz fan? LOL

Stev_ie

4/30/21 3:28pm

Both, but not sure if what that has to do with anything.

Nuke

4/30/21 4:03pm

I'm as skeptical as the next guy about Pedersen, but this is just a hit job post

Jennerstein

4/30/21 3:24pm

No I didn't. Get over it.

Stev_ie

4/30/21 3:29pm

Seems you're the one that needs to get over it. brah.

4/30/21 3:44pm

Tire aybe you should ask him how many women he assaulted in his 20s

Stev_ie

4/30/21 3:55pm

Care to expound on this?

Malathion

4/30/21 4:03pm

I just checked and it looks like Mr Bitterman is an available board name. YWIA.

crazY

4/30/21 5:48pm

Pretty hard to prove they knew and condoned

jkccoug

4/30/21 3:30pm

How do you terminate those sales guys, send them to work for the sister company

YNWA

4/30/21 4:29pm

Who terminated them? Who rehired?

jkccoug

4/30/21 7:10pm

haha.. you don't work at a large company then I guess

byukarl

5/1/21 11:23am

Very few federal agencies can prosecute people criminally. They settled a civil suit with the FTC. they

vegasnative

5/1/21 3:14am

So what department did you work in YNWA and why the bitterness?

byukarl

5/1/21 11:20am

LOL, I read the article I posted as it's a local company many on the board are

YNWA

5/3/21 11:29am

Did you ever work for vivint? or one of the others?

boogers

5/3/21 11:57am

I did. I quit during training. I still remember the training manager telling us

CougarTailDevourer

5/3/21 12:27pm

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